$50 NLHE 6-max: 50nl deep table spot, lets start folding full houses!

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 21/19/2

ran this by a few people on skype, figured I'd post it and get some more opinions anyway.

poker stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em $0.10 Ante - 6 players - View hand 2085839
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BTN: $85.04
SB: $125.00
BB: $125.00
UTG: $201.17
Hero (MP): $158.19
CO: $207.30

Pre Flop: ($1.35) Hero is MP with K :club: A :diamond:
UTG raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, 4 folds, UTG raises to $12.50, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($26.35) K :spade: 8 :heart: 8 :diamond: (2 players)
UTG bets $15, Hero calls $15

Turn: ($56.35) 8 :spade: (2 players)
UTG bets $36.50, Hero calls $36.50

River: ($129.35) 4 :spade: (2 players)
UTG bets $137.07 all in, Hero ?

9combos of AK, 2 discounted of KQhh/KQdd, 4 of KK/AA.
think river can be a fold since we are only ever calling to chop and i cant see anyone having the nuts to do this with air without significant reads.

I flat pre. I do not want to play a pot that will threaten my stack with a hand that mostly makes TPTK when my stack is 300 deep. That's the problem with 3-betting AK this deep, it mostly just makes hands where you're not willing to play for stacks, because the SPR is still wicked high.

8 combos of tie, 4 combos of lose gives us 33% equity. So it's just barely a fold on the river.

c9h13no3 said:

I flat pre. I do not want to play a pot that will threaten my stack with a hand that mostly makes TPTK when my stack is 300 deep.

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you dont want to 3b for value 300BB deep vs people who will call with wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy worse and you are never getting stacks in unless this happens

Ducky7 said:

you dont want to 3b for value 300BB deep vs people who will call with wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy worse and you are never getting stacks in unless this happens

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How bad is a 21/19 calling here? Giving up 40 cents preflop to avoid mistakes in a 600bb pot is a sacrifice I'll make. Hands converge in value preflop when you're this deep. AK isn't really that great.

No advice but I like guessing games. I think the villain has a pocket pair and you have his boat beat.

Making a few assumptions:

1. Villain has no bluffs in his range
2. We're at the bottom of our range in this spot on the river

Seems like we surely can't call for a chop. I wonder if he really stacks AA on the river though, because it seems like he should be worried about us having KK most of the time given action preflop.

baudib1 said:

Making a few assumptions:

1. Villain has no bluffs in his range
2. We're at the bottom of our range in this spot on the river

Seems like we surely can't call for a chop. I wonder if he really stacks AA on the river though, because it seems like he should be worried about us having KK most of the time given action preflop.

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If he as A/A I don't see why he would ever be worried about us having K/K here, usually we would 5 bet pre with it I assume and his A/A is still gonna be good so often against K/X type hands like we have here, imo this looks like he is going for max value with A/A, fold.

c9h13no3 said:

How bad is a 21/19 calling here? Giving up 40 cents preflop to avoid mistakes in a 600bb pot is a sacrifice I'll make. Hands converge in value preflop when you're this deep. AK isn't really that great.

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How are we going to get into a 600BB pot with TP ever though, if we are bad enough to do that then its our own fault, he shouldnt be folding much of his opening range to a 3b 300BB deep imo

Also never folding

I agree with flatting pre. I think the river should be a fold.

I see Ive got you into the deep tables

If he goes that size with AK pre it's a marginal call. The fact that no one really makes it that big with AK that deep means I think it's a pretty easy fold.

I don't want to start a debate on folding KK pre but are regs really getting it in with worse than KK for 300 BBs UTG?

c9h13no3 said:

I flat pre. I do not want to play a pot that will threaten my stack with a hand that mostly makes TPTK when my stack is 300 deep. That's the problem with 3-betting AK this deep, it mostly just makes hands where you're not willing to play for stacks, because the SPR is still wicked high.

8 combos of tie, 4 combos of lose gives us 33% equity. So it's just barely a fold on the river.

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baudib1 said:

Making a few assumptions:

1. Villain has no bluffs in his range
2. We're at the bottom of our range in this spot on the river

Seems like we surely can't call for a chop. I wonder if he really stacks AA on the river though, because it seems like he should be worried about us having KK most of the time given action preflop.

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What these guys are saying. But I think despite that small chance of AA being worried about KK, there are just zero bluffs in his range so the point is kind of moot. Chopping or losing here and not getting odds.

We actually are getting odds if he has all of the AK's in his range even if he has 0 bluffs.

River: ($129.35) 4 :spade: (2 players)
UTG bets $137.07 all in, Hero calls $94.09 all in

Final Pot: $317.53
UTG shows A :spade: 9 :spade: (a flush, Ace high)
Hero shows K :club: A :diamond: (a full house, Eights full of Kings)
Hero wins $315.03
(Rake: $2.50)

^^ Nice!


Pot consists of more than my entire BR, lol.

wow it was the flush. Nice.

Wonder if they would have played it the same way with suited A8

lol wonder if he knew he was bluffing or not

hackmeplz said:

lol wonder if he knew he was bluffing or not

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standard value bet vs A high

24hours and no torrent of post-result "This is a snap call" posts. I'm impressed.


I snap call this btw villain is blatently bluffing

Deco said:

24hours and no torrent of post-result "This is a snap call" posts. I'm impressed.


I snap call this btw villain is blatently bluffing

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You playing 6m now seen you knocking about i think

snap fold

Ducky7 said:

You playing 6m now seen you knocking about i think

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Ye it's my worse game out of 6max and FR so it's the one I've decided to focus on for the sake of improvement.