Yea i agree but that was part of my reasoning to turn shove..
Shoving flop, he would be getting the right odds
to call with the fd although he would be behind.
shoving turn on the other hand, he would be making a mistake by calling with the fd.. this is y i saw merit in playing it this way. Giving him the chance to make the mistake. So that's the reason i asked for the math with the hands face up.. because if it i expect to get more value by shoving turn and him folding turn + he might make a mistake of calling with the FD without the right odds. (Non FD hands wouldn't really make a diff between shoving flop or turn unless the turn is a spade)
This was my thought process for this thread but i understand the reasons to y shoving the flop is better.