$50 NLHE 6-max: 4b KK, 2callers, flop JJx. line?

MP has been at the table for 1 rotation and hasnt 3b. SB is a retard and if he has a jack here im paying him off...

what do we think MPs range is at a guess considering;
1. we have no info on him
2. he 3b a UTG raise from MP
3. he flatted a 4b
4. he flats the flop leaving him with only 50% of his stack for the turn...

i guess AA/KK can be excluded from MPs range a lot since it didnt go in pre + i have KK. AK is kinda ruled out OTF (although yeah this would be a weird way to play it), JJ is obv quads so thats ruled out (although line makes sense), so that pretty much leaves me with QQ but if so thats pretty awkward that he doesnt push over the top OTF. i guess TT is plausible to but its pretty meh. the fact that he leaves himself with 50% of his stack with one retard left to act behind makes this feel like a J to me, but wtf how is a J ever in his range?

^ are these reasonable assumptions? and whats my line on a brick turn? ship and yell "QQ one time?"

obv turn card makes things preschool easy, but my question is what do i do if its a complete blank?

poker stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1902509
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SB: $53.85
BB: $76.28
Hero (UTG): $63.95
MP: $57.93
CO: $59.37
BTN: $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $1.50, MP raises to $4.50, 2 folds, SB calls $4.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10, MP calls $5.50, SB calls $5.50

Flop: ($30.50) J J 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $14.02, MP calls $14.02, SB folds

Turn: ($58.54) K (2 players)
Hero ?

You can only check, no point shoving cos hes probably not calling.

c/c though?

QQ,KK,AA imo. Flatting 4bets is retardedly strong, i suppose he could have AK but its kinda dumb to not shove it pre i think once he 3bets you presumably for value. I think flatting hands like JJ and TT here is awful, i think you should of 4bet a bit larger pre if you knew a huge retard was in the hand.

acky100 said:

QQ,KK,AA imo. Flatting 4bets is retardedly strong, i suppose he could have AK but its kinda dumb to not shove it pre i think once he 3bets you presumably for value. I think flatting hands like JJ and TT here is awful, i think you should of 4bet a bit larger pre if you knew a huge retard was in the hand.

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i agree his flat scared me more than a shove, but slowplayed AA pretty sick cos im obv looking to gii.

so if you think he has QQ/KK/AA, im assuming you wanna do the cross your fingers and yell QQ one time and shove? lol

Yeah you can't bet or shove, there's no way the opponent can call with worse

$14.03

Check shooovvvveeee

anyone be ****ed telling me what they think MPs range is OTT?

Either JJ or AA.

I 4bet bigger, seeing as there are 2 callers.
I c-bet the flop smaller even if we c-bet $9 we're setup for a shove on the turn, we can have a wider range call us or even play back at us.
I'm snap shoving the turn, I expect AA to call and maybe an occasional jack AK or QQ if villain turns out to be a retard.

Our hand is pretty safe so I see no harm in a turn check but I can't see villain having floated or getting in anything he'd have folded to a shove, we're shoving $34 in to a $54 pot, AA is never folding and anyone who can't fold QQ or Jx pre to such a strong line is unlikely to fold them now either. Only advantage I see to checking is that shoving the river may make our line look weaker but I don't see much difference really.

If the turn had came a blank I shove a pray for QQ, heck villain may be a fish and have 99/TT. Checking causes me the same indifference it did for the K turn.