$50 NLHE 6-max: 4b AKs 100BBs, flop the world and improve OTT, how to get money in here/best line?

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$50 NLHE 6-max: 4b AKs 100BBs, flop the world and improve OTT, how to get money in here/best line?

vil stats, 148 hands; 17/14, 3b 3.4%. 0/1 for fold to 4b


Arguably a flat P/F but w/e. i probably coulda bet a bit smaller OTF, but i dont like doing that when i flop big because i never do otherwise so its totally faceup to anyone paying attention.

turn is just awkward, ESS ~$31 and a ~$39 pot, how do i get this in? i feel like shipping it loses me a ton of value (srsly what worse can he call with here esp considering his 3b range). i feel like if i check hes gunna check back a tonnnnnnnnnn of the time as i think he has to pretty much always have TT/JJ here. alternative i guess is that i just bet like $18 or something and leave myself $10 behind... but then its pretty obv im getting it in so i still only do when i cooler him?

gah. help



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CO: $53.36
BTN: $93.70
SB: $50.25
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $51.49

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with A
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K
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1 fold, CO raises to $1, BTN raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9, 1 fold, BTN calls $5.50

Flop: ($19.25) K
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9
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3
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(2 players)
Hero bets $9.90, BTN calls $9.90

Turn: ($39.05) A
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Hero ?????
 
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With the stack sizes remaining and the fact that you have the nut FD, I kinda like just checking the turn. We give him the chance to shove with worse and we can comfortably shove any river for ~3/4 pot.
 
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Bet $12 on the flop like you should have done instead of half pot an problem solved.
 
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With the stack sizes remaining and the fact that you have the nut FD, I kinda like just checking the turn. We give him the chance to shove with worse and we can comfortably shove any river for ~3/4 pot.

yeah this is what i did, wasnt 100% happy with it though. thanks

Bet $12 on the flop like you should have done instead of half pot an problem solved.

my sizing is always around half pot in 3b/4b pots, give vil illusion of FE and just the fact that you dont need to bet more to set up shoves. i dont get why i should bet more? like i agree that it makes getting stacks in nicer, but i have a huge problem then of having to cooler/hope vil is lolbad because they just arent holding/calling off with worse often?
 
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So villain will call or raise $10 but not $12 ??? Or were you just not paying attention to your SPR?
 
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I think another turn option is to bet something ridiculously small ($1 or $2). You know one of those bets so small he can't fold but that he might be so pissed about he jams over with anything.
 
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So villain will call or raise $10 but not $12 ??? Or were you just not paying attention to your SPR?
After the flop bet he has only a 3/4 pot bet left in his stack. SPR is not really a concern. $10 or $12 doesn't really matter here. If he bets $12 he's got $29 left in a $43 vs having $31 in a $39. Not a huge difference.
 
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my sizing is always around half pot in 3b/4b pots, give vil illusion of FE and just the fact that you dont need to bet more to set up shoves. i dont get why i should bet more? like i agree that it makes getting stacks in nicer, but i have a huge problem then of having to cooler/hope vil is lolbad because they just arent holding/calling off with worse often?
+1, my bet sizing always decreases significantly in 3/4-bet pots.
 
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After the flop bet he has only a 3/4 pot bet left in his stack. SPR is not really a concern. $10 or $12 doesn't really matter here. If he bets $12 he's got $29 left in a $43 vs having $31 in a $39. Not a huge difference.
It's a 12bb difference just seems to make the turn play a easier shove imo.
Rather than have to check turn,or under bet the turn and hope villain spazzes out.
 
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So villain will call or raise $10 but not $12 ??? Or were you just not paying attention to your SPR?

tbh in hindsight i dont think he can even raise when i go $9.90, i think i shuoldve bet like $7.50 so he couldve raised.

i prefer bet/bet/shove to bet/shove by a mile as its easier for villain to call further and be valued in. so even if villain doesnt raise, i can pretty much bet $5 OTF and still have it very easy to bet/bet/shove with like $5/$13/$22 or something

I think another turn option is to bet something ridiculously small ($1 or $2). You know one of those bets so small he can't fold but that he might be so pissed about he jams over with anything.

****ing lollllllllll. as retarded as it is, i was pretty fresh at the table and this would definitely work wonders for my image. i actually really like $2 OTT then shoving the river lmao. i think im going to do that next time when i have the virtual nuts and i cant put villain on much
 
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hmm im usually all for dicking about with tiny bets but i dont like it here, its obvious we're not expecting to steal the pot with a $2 bet when we have the option to take a free card, seems a bit obvious that we crush but if hes a spazz then it could be good
 
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might look like we wanna draw to the flush for super cheap?
 
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Nh so far, I like your bet sizings a lot. I'd check/shove the turn or shove river if he checks back turn. Fwiw I'm always squeezing or folding pre. Cold calling OOP with AK puts us in a really shitty position.
 
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NH so far, I like check-shoving. If he doesn't bet the turn go for $14 on river.
 
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I think yall have lost yalls collective minds. If you all think these lines are better than just betting 12 then shipping turn.
 
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4b is way too big pre, make it like 7.50 or so. As played I think I like checking flop better than turn (looks a lot like QQ and he might try to barrel you off it with his entire range).

Also that flop bet is just about as big as you should even think about making it. Bigger would be absolutely awful for your overall game in this spot and if you are going to bet there I prefer ~$6.50-$7
 
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I think yall have lost yalls collective minds. If you all think these lines are better than just betting 12 then shipping turn.
What's his calling range with a bet big and shove turn line? Only thing really is a slowplayed AA/KK and AK. I don't really see what you gain from doing that. Also what hands do you take that line with? Pretty much purely value. I think betting 44% otf or something is going to be infinitely better.
 
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What's his calling range with a bet big and shove turn line? Only thing really is a slowplayed AA/KK and AK. I don't really see what you gain from doing that. Also what hands do you take that line with? Pretty much purely value. I think betting 44% otf or something is going to be infinitely better.
How does his calling range get wider to call a river shove if we bet $10,check,shove rather than bet $12,shove? if any thing it tightens it vs a single pair/FD .
 
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How does his calling range get wider to call a river shove if we bet $10,check,shove rather than bet $12,shove? if any thing it tightens it vs a single pair/FD .
We get value from hands that would've folded but decided to try and take the pot down thinking we have like JJ-QQ.
 
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ok so the only way we gain value is from a Kx hand correct? Instead of Ax+ draws
 
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There has to be draws in his range. Or this HA makes no sense. Because your not going to get paid either way if villain has TT-QQ. If his range is total air (which i doubt) then the only line i like is WV's which is min bet turn to get a spazz shove.For him to call the flop o it has to be a cooler or some sort of combo draw in which i like betting $12 and shoving
 
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