$50 NLHE 6-max: 3bet pre with QQ on KK3r and villain donks small

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed)

Hero (BB) ($53.92)
UTG ($50.81)
MP ($88.43)
CO ($34.01)
Button ($58.38)
SB ($48.72) - no reads/stats.

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q , Q
1 fold, MP bets $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1.25, Hero raises $5.50, 1 fold, SB calls $4.50

Flop: ($13.50) K , 3 , K (2 players)
SB bets $5.25, Hero ?

At the time I couldn't help thinking that he wouldn't donk with a strong hand (Kx/33) but that it was possible (hoping I would spazz out with AA or QQ or something), and there are obviously no draws. In your experience is this ever not a bluff?

I am answering mainly to subscribe. I would be posting this hand with the same question.

Tough spot w/o reads IMO. Off the bat, I would be doing the same as SB here if I had JJ, QQ( VERY slim chance of this) or AA as I would think your range is missing this flop more often than not, and c bet (if SB calls the raise, then bets the flop is it a c bet, in technical terms??) will put you to a tough decision. If I had AK as SB I am probably checking this flop.

As BB I think I am re raising SB here, maybe 12$, but closing down after that. Calling is IMO out of the question here, you have to raise or fold, but I really would be stumped as to which is right.

I am learning FR and 6max, so my thinking may be way off here.-

Standard calldown and bet any street he checks, if it looks like he's trying to stack you on the river I'd think about folding.

baudib1 said:

Standard calldown and bet any street he checks, if it looks like he's trying to stack you on the river I'd think about folding.

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Why call?

because it's better than raising or folding.

baudib1 said:

because it's better than raising or folding.

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Oh cmon..... Would I ask if I thought it was better than raising or folding? I already stated that I thought calling was the worse option.

What is your reasoning behind calling?

I have kids, They ask "why" some parent's answer "because" Lets keep this above that level................

How about: Folding is absurd, and raising is terrible.

Are you trying to bluff him off Kx?

Do you want him to fold 3x,44-JJ, and bluffs?

I agree with Baudib1 on this 1 cuz Calling is better then folding and Raising. The reasons I think calling is better then Folding/Raising are as follows.

1) If we RR on this flop Say to $12, and he/she shoves then where do we stand? That actually puts is in a tough spot right, but by just Calling we can see what he/she does on the turn also.

2) If we fold it's just way to tight personally IMO on this dry flop

So that only leaves the CC option down IMO (Which may be wrong, but I don't play cash often)..

So I'd Call this W/E the turn may be as long as it ain't a hand that's in there range to 3 bet pre So Ax-JJ we can see how they react to the turn card.. If they check though, I'd Check Behind cuz you don't want to get stacked also on the turn right, so I'd call a river bet though..

More or less stating I'm never folding...Now if they bet big on the turn I'm dumping it

Do we want him to have a range of something like this:


Board: Kc Kd 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.147% 30.42% 00.73% 24390 586.50 { AdAh, AdAs, AhAs, KK-22, AKs, AcQc, AdQd, AhJh, AsJs, KJs+, AKo, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs, AdQh, AdQs, AhQs, KQo }
Hand 1: 68.853% 68.12% 00.73% 54627 586.50 { QhQs }


which is Kx, a discounted AA, some random Ax bluffs, and two pair hands we beat, or this



Board: Kc Kd 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 73.243% 71.42% 01.82% 19799 504.00 { AdAh, AdAs, AhAs, KK-JJ, 33, AKs, KJs+, AKo, KQo }
Hand 1: 26.757% 24.94% 01.82% 6913 504.00 { QhQs }

Yep standard call down and bet for value when checked too. He isn't gonna check raise and if he does we can be certain he has us beat imo, hes never gonna call a raise with worse and he wont bluff again on future streets so that's why i think raising is out of the question.

Thank you very much for your input guys, very useful.

Cafeman31 said:

Thank you very much for your input guys, very useful.

Spoiler

he was bluffing with 5d7d

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Just have to ask, what exactly did you do? Did you just fold on the flop? I ask only because if you did that then, what was the reasoning behind the fold? Exactly what range of hands did you put him on?

Thanks for the clarification.

naruto_miu said:

Just have to ask, what exactly did you do? Did you just fold on the flop?

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I put him on a bluff/monster so I called his flop bet, and then the turn was a blank but he bet rather large this time so I folded - it was then that he showed the bluff.

When he bet large on the turn I felt as though he was more likely to have the monster than the bluff, especially since the river looked as though it was clearly being set up for the shove. I guess I was wrong in this case.

Cafeman31 said:

I put him on a bluff/monster so I called his flop bet, and then the turn was a blank but he bet rather large this time so I folded - it was then that he showed the bluff.

When he bet large on the turn I felt as though he was more likely to have the monster than the bluff, especially since the river looked as though it was clearly being set up for the shove. I guess I was wrong in this case.

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Well ya usually that's what the large bet would imply that he's gearing to shove the river Or so I assume (To give that impression that he's willing to play for stacks).Ya I guess it's really difficult in that case, but for the future times you do find yourself in the same scenario, all you have to do is ask yourself, would you really do that with this? Or are you doing that hoping I just do this?