50 Nl HU-- What to do?

So i've been playing this guy for about 2 hours 50nl HU. Pretty loose guy, we've been raising every button and we also are pretty deep.

poker stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
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Hero (SB): $212.05 (424.1 bb)
BB: $153.20 (306.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with K Q
Hero raises to $2.50, BB raises to $7.50, Hero calls $5

Flop: ($15) 9 3 K (2 players)
BB bets $15.50, Hero calls $15.50

Turn: ($47) 2 (2 players)
BB bets 60$, Hero ?????

I guess its push or fold here because if i call I'll have to face a another huge bet on the river. Hero?????? Ill post results after.
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this isnt pretty deep, this is deeper than that.

This is completely read dependant, and compeltely depends on your read of how loose villain really is. His range here is wide if he is a loose player, as he can easily have k,j, k,t, k,8, compelte air, flush draw etc in this spot.

So i probably call turn and re evaluate the river

Its way to weak to fold top pair 2nd kicker, to a double barrel from a loose player. If you are worried about calling here due to the depth of the stacks you should have quit this guy and gone back to 100bb stacks. But as i said, reads are the key facts here, such as is villain 3 betting very light, how often does he double barrel and what with, has he overbet before. You need to piece the hand together from previous hands since youve been playing for 2 hours you should have a good idea with villains range and can come to a better decision than us since we are readless

What's villains 3bet like? Maybe i'm a bit too crazy for thinking this but i'm honestly giving villain credit for AA here, does villain have a brain? What level thinking is villain on? In villains eyes they may be pushing you off the flush draw and want to protect their AA as they believe you have no concept for pot odds. Just a thought :/ I think this was a hard fold. But needed to be done. This is where the results show how wrong I am

I'll wait for a couple more post before showing results if you please.

Is the opening raise/3bet size standard for this session (seems large but maybe it's just because you're so deep)? Has he been overbetting the pot like this often? What has he shown up with in those spots?

First over bet. Yes when we reached about 300BB we started raising 6-7 times BB pre, i love action.

if your raising so large pre, you have to completely disregard stack sizes, your effectively played .50/1 with slightly deep stacks if your raaising so big, so ye im definately calling here and re evaluating turn, where reads on whether villain triple barrels as a bluff come into account, but i'd expect a check

switch0723 said:

if your raising so large pre, you have to completely disregard stack sizes, your effectively played .50/1 with slightly deep stacks if your raaising so big, so ye im definately calling here and re evaluating turn, where reads on whether villain triple barrels as a bluff come into account, but i'd expect a check

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I agree with both points. You're creating big pots preflop (relative to the blinds) so you're essentially shortening the stacks to normal sizes (think SPR) post flop. I'm also calling his turn bet and expecting (hoping?) he checks the river.

If we do call the turn though and we don't improve an villain shoves on the river are we folding? Would this not also make us commited?

I deciced to change my mind and I did flat call the 60$ bet. Here's the cruel river.

River: ($167) 2

(2 players)
BB bets 70.20,and his all in , Hero pukes..?

I think this hand was played very poorly.
Your first mistake was not raising on the flop, you hit top pair 2nd kicker, but you need to find out where you stand after villian bets his pot size bet. Raise it up to $40 right there and see what happens. Now on the turn, it depends if you know the villian will fold a flush draw without proper odds to call, or if he will just call regardless. Your opponent may have the flush draw with a pair of kings lower kicker and would instacall you.

Man this hand is tough, but you created some of the tough play yourself. I raise the $15.50 flop bet up to $40 or $50 and if he flat calls then checks, I pop in another bet and you opponent will either fold or go allin, leaving you with a decision at that point.

we beat nothing, fold

if villain has any sense, he doesnt shove this river as a bluff, so fold unless you have a read that he will barrel k,j or k,t here

jordanbillie said:

I think this hand was played very poorly.
Your first mistake was not raising on the flop, you hit top pair 2nd kicker, but you need to find out where you stand after villian bets his pot size bet. Raise it up to $40 right there and see what happens. Now on the turn, it depends if you know the villian will fold a flush draw without proper odds to call, or if he will just call regardless. Your opponent may have the flush draw with a pair of kings lower kicker and would instacall you.

Man this hand is tough, but you created some of the tough play yourself. I raise the $15.50 flop bet up to $40 or $50 and if he flat calls then checks, I pop in another bet and you opponent will either fold or go allin, leaving you with a decision at that point.

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flawed logic, by raising the flop, we get all of pp's lower than a king, and complete bluffs to fold, only keeping in hands that have us beat and rare kings, we also pretty much have to fold to a re shove by villain even if he is semi bluffing a flush draw +over or whatever.

Also if you do raise the flop, betting the turn carries no value, checking turn and calling/betting river makes more sense for some pot control

When i called the turn, my mind was set. I was calling his bet if he shoves. And i did. He showed QQ and that's why 50 nl HU is so profitable.

i desire love said:

When i called the turn, my mind was set. I was calling his bet if he shoves. And i did. He showed QQ and that's why 50 nl HU is so profitable.

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You read him as loose. Nice one . Did villain soon depart from the table?

He said i suck and i cant play, then he left

Obviously you don't suck if you made that kind of call. I love when people get their bluffs called it's automatically because the other person is an idiot. I had a guy in HU go all in with a flop of 888 with no preflop raise at all. I called him with Q high and he went nuts because he only had J high. Proceeded to call me an idiot, I suck, I can't play, and yet I made the right call (it helps that I knew he was as reckless as this player)

Player tends to go nuts when you call their bluffs. They always think you should of folded, but poker is all about making good decisions.

Never raise turn...just pointing that out since you were thinking that. If you call turn here you have to call any river. Calling turn then folding river is terrible.

And fwiw, this is probably a fold on the turn vs a good player (tho overbet is very odd), but it is fine to call your stack off against somebody who is a little spewy in 3B pots (probably almost everybody playing 50nl).

i should change my above thought, i said fold the river because everything got there, but i now realise your getting like a bazilion to one odds, so yeah sigh call river

switch0723 said:

i should change my above thought, i said fold the river because everything got there, but i now realise your getting like a bazilion to one odds, so yeah sigh call river

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No, i think ur post is fine. You are right, we beat nothing ( but QQ lol). I do have tons of odds to call, but the reason i made the call is because I felt i had him. I guess i was right. But I know players who would of folded here.