re: Poker & $50 AK, tough river decision
Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus
I agree, but (as I think you implied) in this situation it's not a 'call for information', it's a call because we believe it's immediately profitable.
Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is a bad habit to get into.
This is exactly why I asked why would you call for information here?? I mean, that should not have been the reason to call here, that's why I asked the poster who posted that response why would he call for info here.
There's no need to call for info here, we call because we think we're ahead. I understand calling for info is very profittable in the future in some
cases, but it's very unporfitable in many cases as well. This isn't one of those times where we should call for info, and doing so would just be calling for all the wrong reasons.
Originally Posted by joeeagles
Your right Estelle, he did play it unconventionally enough which allowed him to extract some money out of you. Don't misunderstand, I'm not leaning towards giving him any credit for it. I think you played this correctly, you had to make the call there.
I disagree with Dorkus when he says that only PF is horrible, I think his check/call flop play was also terrible, it only looks good because the turn brought the best non A card available which allowed him to extract $24 from Estelle between turn and river. Those are the only 2 streets he played well, by not overbetting them. Overall he played this in a way that could have turned in a disaster for him, starting by limping UTG and not check/raising the flop.
Sure, decieving is fine but when you push it that far it can become very expensive. It didn't in this case because he was lucky Estelle had AK, and she raised the flop (correctly) for him. That was his 1st break. His limp already had 2 callers + BB, creating a 4 way pot with AA in the hole. Not what you want, obviously. His 2nd break was, as already mentioned, the 2 on the turn. Not check/raising the flop is terrible.
He definitely played unconventional, which definitely did allow him to extract more money from me, but I wouldn't ever encourage anyone here to play AA preflop like he did. It's asking to lose a huge pot.
He got the absolute perfect flop to extract money from one of his 4 opponents (me), and was very lucky that the flop didn't give any decent draws to any of his opponents.
Originally Posted by dj11
He played you like a violin, and for him you sang so sweetly!
Yes he did play me like a violin, but I don't know if I sang so sweetly after the hand was over.
And nothing wrong with that either, everyone gets "played" or completely misreads someone because of unconventional play. I not embarrassed of my play at all here, I just posted this HH because I thought it would be a very interesting hand to analyze and talk about. Also, to show that even if you play a hand as perfect as you possibly can (or just decent, whatever your opinion of me may be), you can still lose and lose without a bad beat. Sometimes you just lose without making a single mistake, and you just have to take it as a part of poker. You're not going to play perfect all the time, or win every hand all the time; and when the time comes when you do lose your stack at a table, even when you played well, just reload and keep on going (unless you're on tilt, then just stop playing).
Anyways, hope this was interesting enough for you guys.