$.50/1 FLHE Full Ring: How can you counter this kind of play???

Ronaldadio

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Is the better just a clown? I have him noted as "Looks at his cards only" meaning he does not seem to worry about the board making other peoples hands.
Or is it just me???

pokerstars Hand #92301818168: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2013/01/13 16:08:17 ET
Table 'Bellerophon III' 10-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: ASAjr ($20.50 in chips)
Seat 2: iMierColes ($17.56 in chips)
Seat 3: gamov ($31.77 in chips)
Seat 4: SPITZEBUBBI ($17.71 in chips)
Seat 5: AltisAltis ($12.75 in chips)
Seat 6: raulspañol ($9 in chips)
Seat 7: meyer7lansky ($13.73 in chips)
Seat 8: ROKKILA ($17.20 in chips)
Seat 9: kovacsk ($47.82 in chips)
Seat 10: ronaldadio ($19.71 in chips)
kovacsk: posts small blind $0.25
ronaldadio: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ronaldadio [Td 7d]
ASAjr: calls $0.50
iMierColes: folds
gamov: folds
SPITZEBUBBI: folds
AltisAltis: folds
raulspañol: calls $0.50
meyer7lansky: folds
ROKKILA: folds
kovacsk: calls $0.25
ronaldadio: checks
*** FLOP *** [4d Ad 5d]
kovacsk: bets $0.50
ronaldadio: raises $0.50 to $1
ASAjr: calls $1
raulspañol: calls $1
kovacsk: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [4d Ad 5d] [5c]
kovacsk: bets $1
ronaldadio: raises $1 to $2
ASAjr: calls $2
raulspañol: raises $1 to $3
kovacsk: folds
ronaldadio: folds
ASAjr: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [4d Ad 5d 5c] [Qd]
ASAjr: checks
raulspañol: bets $1
ASAjr: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
raulspañol: shows [5h Js] (three of a kind, Fives)
ASAjr: shows [2d 2h] (a flush, Ace high)
ASAjr collected $16.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17 | Rake $0.40
Board [4d Ad 5d 5c Qd]
Seat 1: ASAjr showed [2d 2h] and won ($16.60) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: iMierColes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: gamov folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SPITZEBUBBI folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: AltisAltis folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: raulspañol showed [5h Js] and lost with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 7: meyer7lansky folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ROKKILA (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: kovacsk (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 10: ronaldadio (big blind) folded on the Turn
 
c9h13no3

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Don't fold. Folding here is so very bad. Pay the two to three bets and see a showdown.
 
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How can you fold the turn. If it was a nl game with a bet and a shove, then maybe, here never.

Oh, try to post stats if you have them, if you dont then d/l a PT4/HEM2 trial you get 30 free days on each.

Convert your hands.
 
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Don't fold. Folding here is so very bad. Pay the two to three bets and see a showdown.

It would have been more than 2 or 3 bets buddy - would have been looking at 4 on the river plus another 2 on the turn :)

I'm not a FL specialist, but looking at the action I could be behind to a higher flush on the flop or turn Jx Qx Kx Ax or on the turn, be behind a FH

On the flop I'm up against 3 players one betting.
On the turn against the same 3 players with 2 of them betting out.

My gut feeling was wrong - I was sure I was up against a FH - someone calling with 2 pair and someone betting a set.

Always interested to hear feedback.

Thanks guys :)
 
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It would have been more than 2 or 3 bets buddy - would have been looking at 4 on the river plus another 2 on the turn :)
You are so very bad at math.

*** TURN *** [4d Ad 5d] 5♣
kovacsk: bets $1
ronaldadio: raises $1 to $2
ASAjr: calls $2
raulspañol: raises $1 to $3
kovacsk: folds
ronaldadio: folds
ASAjr: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [4d Ad 5d 5c] Q♦
ASAjr: checks
raulspañol: bets $1
ASAjr: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***

It would have cost you 2 on the turn and 1 on the river to call down. And the raise/fold line is so terribly bad. And if anything, the presence of the caller should make you want to see showdown MORE. The guy calling along will rarely have you beat and he's padding your pot odds.
 
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So u r saying, basically, that once you enter a pot in LHE and u catch anything, u should call to the death?
 
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So u r saying, basically, that once you enter a pot in LHE and u catch anything, u should call to the death?
Flush > Anything

And when you're getting great pot odds, you should call to the death. The pot is big, you have another player who is almost certainly donating (drawing to a bigger flush is the most likely hand IMO). Easy call down.

In limit games, find reasons to call in big pots, reasons to fold in small ones.
 
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Flush > Anything

And when you're getting great pot odds, you should call to the death. The pot is big, you have another player who is almost certainly donating (drawing to a bigger flush is the most likely hand IMO). Easy call down.

In limit games, find reasons to call in big pots, reasons to fold in small ones.

Thanks for that.
It does explain a lot of the play I've seen :)
 
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