$5 PLO Heads-up: Turned straight vs a Mega Nit

Ok, I got myself stuck in a spot, and what I'm wondering is acouple of questions..

A) Besides the obivious (Fold pre), which I had my reasons for not folding pre

1) They folded to everything I did
2) I'd have them fold on flop with 1 cbet


I know all these sound like excuses (For getting myself into this mess)


What I'm wondering is did I play the hand well? If I played it badly, then besides preflop (Which I know is a big NO NO, Even though I had a plan for the hand)..

What could I have done to either A) Make them fold (Which I highly doubt, with the way I was playing) B) Cuz they had to have a set (I mean what else plays this hand this way)?



Now on the flop, what's the right play here? Is it to check? Bet? What? I choose to bet 2 pair+inside and they Auto raised "Quickly", This let me know 2 things A) they have Set not a straight (Why not a straight), well everytime this player had a straight, they made it look like a straight with a "POT SIZE BETS"....Could they have changed up there game, sure/maybe/I mean it's possible..

Now the flop...I want to know exactly what could I do on this flop? I mean I bet they raised, and I called...Turn is the card I wanted...Now what's the option...


We could (Like I chose to do bet), but when the RR comes back at us...What's my option...I really thought about Shoving or repotting the turn on them (But I knew they weren't going anywhere)...So is a call really awful? If yes, then I'm assuming because Irregardless of the river outcome (WE HAVE THE NUTS AT THE MOMENT, AND SHOULD "TRAP" AS MUCH DEAD MONEY IN




pokerstars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($3.17)
SB ($5.18)
BB ($5.37)
Hero (UTG) ($25.65)
MP ($17.19)
CO ($10.36)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J , 10 , Q , 2
Hero bets $0.15, MP calls $0.15, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.37) J , A , Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, MP raises to $0.95, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.27) K (2 players)
Hero bets $1.15, MP raises to $5.63, Hero?

It was in was in a 6max game not HU sry all

A nit doesn't shove the river without a straight here even if he has a set(unless he's reallly bad)(,(he check/calls sets on turns at best) will have lots of combos of nut flush draws to go with it too and the board is far to wet for him shoving anything other than Ad,Tdxx /Ac,Tc,xx with lots of diamond/club nut draws too.

I'd prefere check/calling the flop, turn is easy it's the best case scenario when he raises your bet..you have the nuts, why would you want to just call if he's willing to want to get chips in? Lots of river cards can kill a ton of action for both you and him, you have the nuts + royal straight draw I wouldn't just "call" - I'd re-pop, hope to get it all in on the turn..if the board pairs the river, we are screwed, if it comes a diamond we're screwed. The only nice card to come is a club and would be just mega cooler if he had Qcxc..so yeah..stack as much as possible on the turn.

He just called the flop. Makes me think St. or Fl. draw. But he lit up on the non flush straight card where he raised.

My guess is that he hit a weaker St. on the turn, and still had a Fl. draw. A nit's not gonna raise with a draw.

I think you had him on the turn, and failed to push, then he flushed the river.

BTW. What's wrong with that hand? When you can get in cheap?

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JusSumguy said:

He just called the flop. Makes me think St. or Fl. draw. But he lit up on the non flush straight card where he raised.

My guess is that he hit a weaker St. on the turn, and still had a Fl. draw. A nit's not gonna raise with a draw.

I think you had him on the turn, and failed to push, then he flushed the river.

BTW. What's wrong with that hand? When you can get in cheap?

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I don't understand the last part "What's wrong with that hand" When you can get in cheap? If your asking why I raised pre with it, like I said to "Make some Magic" on the flop+turn+river something, and I hate limping pre with these types of hands, I'll limp pre with like AA/J/5(DS), but not running cards...Maybe that's what's wrong with me


The actual hand itself, I like it...Some people I've talked to have suggested I stop playing these types of hands, unless it's the complete run (10/J/Q/K(DS)..


As for the when you can get in cheap part (I really didn't catch that 1 sry)

This is the sort of hand that used to puzzle me in PLO. You flop the nuts but there are lots of danger cards available on the turn, I used to air on the cautious side and call but then even if the turn is blank they have another chance on the river to hit their draw.
These days I would reraise, cos you have the nuts and they are only on a draw and you have a good flush draw and chances to hit a boat. To me these are the hands you have to get your money in, sometimes you will win and sometimes you lose but you have the odds on your side and have got to take them.

naruto_miu said:

I don't understand the last part "What's wrong with that hand"

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Seemed like you were saying that it was a bad hand. I don't even mind the small PF raise to see where you're at. It felt to me like you thought it was an easy fold. That's all.

As for the when you can get in cheap part (I really didn't catch that 1 sry)

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It's not four a straight or two flushed, right. But we don't get those that often.

If I can get in cheap with a high 3 st, one flush hand, I'm gonna do it every time.

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Stick it all in on the turn, not close.

We have the nuts with a redraw and this nit clearly flopped Broadway. We are freerolling him with the second nut flush draw and outs to queens full or jacks full. He's not going to pay us off if we hit and he's not folding the nuts so it is imperative to get it in now.

There's also a chance that he could be freerolling us with something like AAKT or QQKT but those are remote because AAKT likely 3-bets pre or he could have KTQcxc but we're usually going to be way way ahead here.

Ok, I thank everyone for there input on this hand, but I have 1 question (I only ask because you all from looking over the hand, and how it played out), have all come to the same conclusion that this player, could not have had AA/K10 or KK10J, or some Pocket pair JJ+K10 combo...I want to know exactly how you all came to this conclusion?

Is it all because they didn't repop it pre? If that's the case, I mean I've seen ppl flat with these types of hands pre correct? So does this also not make sense? I'm not trying to force anyone to change there mind at all, I'm just trying to understand it is all...I'll post what happens in a bit but I want to know exactly what's the thinking behind this, and exactly how did you all derive at such a conclusion?

It does depend a bit on how nitty you think mega nitty is. Is he showing like 1/1 stats over >100 hands or something like that? I think any VPIP over 10% over a reasonable amount of hands makes it such that villain's range in this case will be heavily in our favor on the turn.

It's possible villain could have one of those hands that have us crushed, but as baudib said they will often get 3bet pre and hands that crush us are also only a fraction of the hands that likely make up villain's range. As it stands, there are many more combinations of hands that villain could have that give him broadway that we beat because of our redraws.

Also, just a note about playing that hand preflop -- I'm much more likely to include that hand in preflop raise range if I'm in better position. I think that hand is hard to play in most cases from UTG.

It doesn't matter what he has in this case. OF course he can flat with those hands preflop. We have the nuts with a significant redraw -- 8 clean outs. Unless he has KTQc9c, in which case he is freerolling us but we have boat outs.

Absolute worst case scenario: You're up against exactly KdTdQc9c in which case you only have 3 outs to freeroll him (1 Q, 2 Js for a boat) and you are 30%. Vs. AAKT with a diamond draw, you're still 45%.

http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/show?b=JdAcQdKc&g=oh&h1=QsJcTc2d&h2=KsTdAsAd&s=generic

But against a hand that's merely KdTd** you are a 52% favorite.

http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/show?b=JdAcQdKc&g=oh&h1=QsJcTc2d&h2=KdTd**&s=generic