$5 PLO 6-max: What line?

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PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $9.35 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 57)
SB: $5.58 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 10)
BB: $21.72 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
UTG: $5.48 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 11)
Hero (MP): $13.42
CO: $5.22 (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A:spade: A:club: T:diamond: 4:diamond:

UTG raises to $0.17, Hero calls $0.17, fold, BTN calls $0.17, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.58, 3 players) A:diamond: 3:diamond: 2:spade:
UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.58, 3 players) J:spade:
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.36, BTN raises to $1.51, fold, Hero raises to $5.09, BTN raises to $9.18 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.09

River: ($18.94, 2 players) 4:spade:

Fine to GII as we should have plenty of equity vs 45 (which I think is unlikely) and don't want to lose $ vs JJ?

I find myself in situations like this often when playing PLO where it seems the villain shouldn't have the nuts, or it is highly unlikely he has the nuts, and I have the second nuts but if I go for value it looks like I'm repping the nuts so there isn't any way to get value because the third nuts and less will always fold. What to do?
 
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I would rather be allin on the turn as you were. Only difference, I would never have checked the flop. I would immediately start trying to build a pot, be allin on the flop or turn, than faced with an awkward river decision later.
 
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Why are we not 3b this pre flop to try and take this heads up? Our hand plays far better like that than multiway...

Agree with the above too... Id be betting flop to GII.
 
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Yeah, and coming from a PLO8 player more than PLO, I have to agree with reraising here preflop, and continuing hard on the flop. The preflop reraise makes any hand with 45 harder to play than without it. Also, on the flop, plenty of draws that can beat us, so never trying to give that free turn(which in this case increases draw outs)
 
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Why is 3Betting PF here the superior option? We have a weak pair of aces and our opponent can play more or less perfect vs us postflop because we have the exact hand we are representing. It is about as weak as a pair of aces get. The way I saw it here, I could flat, get people in behind and if facing a squeeze I have an easy 4Bet.
 
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If you look at every 3 bet in plo as sure AAxx, that could be problem 1. Is it common for that to be the hand, yes, but it isn't always. Also, even if it was that obvious, opponents still have to decide to take the risk knowing what they're up against. Better they're making -EV decisions against us than +EV. AAxx in plo, in my opinion, is hardly worth disguising. Too much of a drawing game. Build the pot pre and on the flop in this situation, and get out later to nastier, non improving cards, if you feel it's necessary. The flat gives many ranges of hands behind the right price to gamble and see what happens, so your hand is almost always going to be tougher to play post flop than it would be 3bing.
 
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Why is 3Betting PF here the superior option? We have a weak pair of aces and our opponent can play more or less perfect vs us postflop because we have the exact hand we are representing. It is about as weak as a pair of aces get. The way I saw it here, I could flat, get people in behind and if facing a squeeze I have an easy 4Bet.

My thinking is as follows:

  • For starters, this is 5PLO... Nobody is playing perfect postflop at this level in a game where the majority of the people do not even understand the differences between PLO and NLH.
  • If we flat here we invite the CO BTN and both blinds into the hand, which they are going to v. often, and when this happens we have to fold ALOT of turns, if not flops, to any aggression.
  • The other advantage is by making it less likely that those left to act over call, we will be playing in position which makes it easier for us to bluff and/or play our hand near perfect too.
  • I also do not think a 3b narrows your range to solely AA. We are 3b much wider than that, or atleast I am.


Admittedly I am more of a recreational PLO player and, while I have devoted a lot of time recently to improving my game, it is something I play for fun and not my main grind. I still think the above all apply however and make this more profitable than flatting.... I would be interested to hear your thoughts on it though...
 
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Taking into consideration that my range 3Betting MPvEP is always going to be AAxx and that it was an EP raise from as decent a reg as you get at this stake, he is barely ever folding and he has a strong range. I have weak aces with a suit that isn't even suited to the A. People cold call 3Bets aplenty at this limit as well, so I open myself up to bloating the pot with a weak hand where I could very well end up OOP with my hand super face up because of my low 3Bet stat and positional factors.

If I get it HU in a 3Bet pot (which is a maybe given it is 5NL) my opponent is either going to X/F or X/R/GII OTF, now if I'm going to be GII on flops with AAxx I want the xx part of the hand to work well and I want backdoors/draws. I'd rather 3Bet 4678ds here and flat the weak AAxx to balance my range, if I get squeezed then I can backraise and happily GII pre with the aces, which again helps because people are then less likely to squeeze my ass.

It seems there are plenty of positives to flatting weak aces pre in this position, with relatively few drawbacks. No?
 
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