$5 PLO 6-max: fine spot for a 3bet on BTN ?

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Very few hands on villains. MP is pretty short stacked, but CO is almost full. Is this ok both pre and on flop ?

PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 167.4 BB
SB: 66 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: 93.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 244.2 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 5)
MP: 33.6 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 60.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 5)
CO: 95.4 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q:spade: A:diamond: 5:spade: K:spade:

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 13.4 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 10.4 BB, CO calls 10.4 BB

Flop: (41.6 BB, 3 players) T:diamond: J:spade: T:heart:
MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets 40 BB
 
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really loose 3 bet preflop, not a huge fan of it but atleast we have the button.

On the flop tricky, this would be the type of board I dont Cbet. When we have AKQ, our villains ranges go a lot more towards mid run down type hands with Ts an Js in it, dont see us getting this through very often.
 
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PPT rates our hand as in the 16th percentile for 6 handed play. Given that MP and CO are unknowns I would err on the side of caution and just call preflop. They would have to be playing pretty loose ranges for three betting this hand to be profitable.

The flop is a good spot for a bet but I'm not sold on the full pot sizing. I'd rather half pot.
 
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The hand goes on like this. Pretty good since the short stack calls but we are ahead (good call for him but good bet for us too) and the 95BB stack folds.

Your point is that there are too many T in villains' ranges to make this profitable?

MP calls 20.2 BB and is all-in, fold

Turn: (82 BB, 2 players) 8:club:

River: (82 BB, 2 players) 4:spade:

MP shows 6:club: 8:diamond: J:heart: 9:club: (Two Pair, Jacks and Tens)
(Pre 47%, Flop 43%, Turn 65%)
Hero shows Q:spade: A:diamond: 5:spade: K:spade: (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 53%, Flop 57%, Turn 35%)
MP wins 78.8 BB
Rake paid 3.2 BB
 
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Out of curiosity I decided to give a go for pokertools. I have no idea about Omaha.

If we give 5% to 40% ranges to both villains, hero has quite bad equity on the flop 23% :eek:

Only 17% of the time here hero has more than 50% equity on the board. One Villain has flopped 32% of the time a monster hand with more than 80% equity, and there is 2 of them. I don't quite get why there is so many of the monster. Txxx hands gives equity of 78%, but surely not 32% of range contain T?

http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/graph?b=TdJsTh&g=oh5&h1=5%-40%&h2=AdQs5sKs&s=generic
 
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The hand goes on like this. Pretty good since the short stack calls but we are ahead (good call for him but good bet for us too) and the 95BB stack folds.

Your point is that there are too many T in villains' ranges to make this profitable?

MP calls 20.2 BB and is all-in, fold

Turn: (82 BB, 2 players) 8<font color='black'>♣</font>

River: (82 BB, 2 players) 4<font color='black'>♠</font>

MP shows 6<font color='black'>♣</font> 8<font color='red'>♦</font> J<font color='red'>♥</font> 9<font color='black'>♣</font> (Two Pair, Jacks and Tens)
(Pre 47%, Flop 43%, Turn 65%)
Hero shows Q<font color='black'>♠</font> A<font color='red'>♦</font> 5<font color='black'>♠</font> K<font color='black'>♠</font> (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 53%, Flop 57%, Turn 35%)
MP wins 78.8 BB
Rake paid 3.2 BB

let me ask you a question, when you play holdem do you look at ranges or not?

congrats here though, you ran into the absolute bottom of a range. The flop pot is atrocious against 2 players.
 
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Out of curiosity I decided to give a go for pokertools. I have no idea about Omaha.

If we give 5% to 40% ranges to both villains, hero has quite bad equity on the flop 23% :eek:

Only 17% of the time here hero has more than 50% equity on the board. One Villain has flopped 32% of the time a monster hand with more than 80% equity, and there is 2 of them. I don't quite get why there is so many of the monster. Txxx hands gives equity of 78%, but surely not 32% of range contain T?

http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/graph?b=TdJsTh&g=oh5&h1=5%-40%&h2=AdQs5sKs&s=generic

1) you are up against 2 villains.

2) Its a 3 bet preflop and you have a hand that makes 3 bet call hands way more inclined to have mid sized cards.

3)the T may be the most powerful card in the game.

4) Ts roll with Js, 9s, Qs, Ks, which block our straight outs.
 
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let me ask you a question, when you play holdem do you look at ranges or not?

Of course.

I try to do it in PLO but it's significantly harder. And I'm not very experienced yet. Don't play enough.

I can usually figure out the kind of hands that villains can have, and have a decent estimate of the equity I have against specific hands, but I still very much struggle at estimating the relative frequencies of each type of hand in villains ranges. That seems much much harder than at HE.
 
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