$5 PL O 6-max: Is this a bad bet?

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($2 Cap)

Dealer: Hand #20100595593
Dealer: Zemandan posts the small blind of $0.02
Dealer: -ssaarinen- posts the big blind of $0.05
Dealer: You have been dealt [8c Qd Ac 9d]
Dealer: FELIX_76 calls $0.05
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 raises to $0.22
Dealer: Mondi1986 folds
Dealer: Zemandan calls $0.20
Dealer: -ssaarinen- calls $0.17
Dealer: FELIX_76 calls $0.17
Dealer: The flop is [6h 5s Th]
Dealer: Mondi1986 stands up
Dealer: Zemandan checks
Dealer: -ssaarinen- has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: -ssaarinen- checks
Dealer: FELIX_76 checks
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 bets $0.88
 

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You don't have any hearts but it's a good bet since you were last to act and your opponents showed weakness.

If you get re raised will you re raise or cap?

If you get called and a heart hits the turn will you fold?
 
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That flop bet is no good. We have little to no equity with just 3 outs to the nuts. Also, we were the preflop raiser, so our opponents are going to check to us in hopes that we will c-bet. So your opponents really haven't showed much weakness yet. And lastly, we're in a 4 way pot with a flop that isn't really that dry, so we're rarely getting folds here when we bet. Also, if you're going to stab at this pot, should you really be betting pot?

Just take the free one.
 
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Remember this is 02/05. He isn't taking a free one, he is giving one. If a heart hits this hand is over.
 
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You don't have any hearts but it's a good bet since you were last to act and your opponents showed weakness.

If you get re raised will you re raise or cap?

If you get called and a heart hits the turn will you fold?

Since they all checked to me I thought I'd take a shot. If raised I would have capped.

If called and a heart hits - I'll fold quick.

I'm trying to rep hearts...
 
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In a 4-way pot, this bet is no good imo. Not a great spot to bluff. I agree with c9 that a pot bet is not optimal, because if we get re-raised we're pot-committed with the cap in place, which is not something that I would want, since I don't have a lot of equity in this pot.
 
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Here is the result of the hand. Thanks for the comments and ideas...

Dealer: Zemandan has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: Zemandan folds
Dealer: -ssaarinen- folds
Dealer: FELIX_76 folds
Dealer: Uncalled bet of $0.88 returned to atlantafalcons0
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 mucks
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 wins the pot ($0.83)
 
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Another way to put it - bet/folding w over half effective stacks in the middle is not optimal, so making a bet here that practically pot commits w poor pot equity is not an optimal plan.
 
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Another way to put it - bet/folding w over half effective stacks in the middle is not optimal, so making a bet here that practically pot commits w poor pot equity is not an optimal plan.

If I bet any less, someone would call for sure.

I guess the best/safest plan is to check.
 
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However since everyone folded round the table to you it is a nice spot to do exactly what you did. If someone had the heart draw they would have bet it. Especially at this level.
 
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However since everyone folded round the table to you it is a nice spot to do exactly what you did. If someone had the heart draw they would have bet it. Especially at this level.

Agree and he had perfect position to see where he was at after it checked around. If someone calls or caps it then you are in trouble. I know there arent a lot of outs here but if we don't make a move than we are playing the card and not the players.
 
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Wow, I can't believe there are people calling this bluff okay... We're spending a pot sized bet to win less (because of the rake) so it has to work like 55% of the time. There's just no way its going to work that often.
 
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Wow, I can't believe there are people calling this bluff okay... We're spending a pot sized bet to win less (because of the rake) so it has to work like 55% of the time. There's just no way its going to work that often.

this, if we were heads-up we'd be better, but not multi-way, especially with almost no equity whatsoever.
 
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However since everyone folded round the table to you it is a nice spot to do exactly what you did. If someone had the heart draw they would have bet it. Especially at this level.
Isnt this pretty result orinted thinking?
Im mean surely villains dont donk every time they have something here.
You really think we can get fold more then 50% of the time in a 4way pot on a wet board?
If we had some kind of decent draw or even a okish made hand I wouldnt hate it as much but we have a gutshoot+overs in a 4way pot and where bluffing a amount that basicly commits us because it cap.

I just dont see how its ever profitable.
 
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Isnt this pretty result orinted thinking?
Im mean surely villains dont donk every time they have something here.
You really think we can get fold more then 50% of the time in a 4way pot on a wet board?
If we had some kind of decent draw or even a okish made hand I wouldnt hate it as much but we have a gutshoot+overs in a 4way pot and where bluffing a amount that basicly commits us because it cap.

I just dont see how its ever profitable.

It's profitable because if anyone has a decent hand here - they bet.

This is a cap game. They bet A LOT of flops. So when I raise and everyone calls but then no one bets the flop - I'm taking a shot at it.

I'm not just going to check it down.
 
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