Originally Posted by Deco
Can you post a hand where a 13/3 plays a flush draw like this?
Asking for people to post super specific spots doesn't prove anything one way or another.
What is making you doubt his value range? Because he didn't raise? Hes a 13/3 passive nit they don't raise very often at all. He can flat call down then realize he aint getting stacks in and panic shove. Your trying to apply logic to a guy who overbet shoves KK to protect it on wet flops yet can't fathom that he may take other retarded lines at a later point. Not to mention that his last overbet was for value.
What few flush draws he has preflop were too passive to checkraise the flop but are perfectly fine with overbet shoving the river with complete air?
Deco, I'm going to guess that neither one of us has played 5 NL in a very long time, if ever at all. At micros, overbet shoving the river with a busted draw is the very most common type of retarded bluff. Overbet shoving the flop with a monster overpair is a lot different than shoving a brick river...ESPECIALLY when he had a chance to get stacks in when he's raised on the turn. My take on overbet shoving with 1 pair is that this is a "nit" who's capable of monster spew, not that he only overbets with the nuts. I'm surprised you don't take that from it as well.
Min-donking on a blank turn is so so often a draw trying to freeze the PFR. Again, it's a phenomenon I'm guessing you don't see often in your games because I assume by 100 NL+ people stop doing it. If a nit is going to overbet shove with a set it's going to be a C-R on the flop or a C-R on the turn. Having failed to do so despite having the opportunity really really negates any kind of value hand he's going to have here.