$5 NLHE Full Ring: My UTG raise with QQ gets squeezed from the BB

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BB ($5)
Hero (UTG) ($6.26)
UTG+1 ($1.75)
MP1 ($3.47)
MP2 ($10.75)
CO ($9.20)
Button ($5)
SB ($14.88)

Both players are pretty unknown, note that stats were probably a bit different when hand was played, these are stats I have on them now but there is very little difference as far as VPIP/PRF goes:

SB looks like a fish: 43 / 23 / 8% 3bet over 174 hands.
BB looks decent: 14 / 10 / 3.4% 3bet over 288 hands.

This is my thinking:
1) When BB 3bets I conclude he wants to get rid of me and play with the fish while in position, so I flat with the idea of attacking (probably raise shoving) any flop with no overcards (and accept coolers from KK+ and flopped sets). Fish will call more often than not in my experience since he won't be able to fold if he has a worse pair.
2) When fish spazzes out I just :D and when BB folds I am a happy man and snap it off instantly since this is either AA or a worse hand, and more often the latter (he has a big stack and is probably feeling lucky :p).

The problem I am having is deciding if the original flat (with the whole "attack flop" idea) is correct or not here? Lets assume I have more hands on both so stats are more reliable but not enough to know how often BB squeezes. He has to see me as decent - I do fold a lot to 3bets generally but not really much if I open from EP (since I have pretty good range there).

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q
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, Q
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Hero raises to $0.20, 5 folds, SB calls $0.18, BB raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.60, SB raises to $10.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $5.46 (All-In)

Flop: ($13.32) 6
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, 2
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, 4
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(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($13.32) J
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(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($13.32) 5
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(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $13.32 | Rake: $0.66

Results below:
SB had A
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, K
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(high card, Ace).
Hero had Q
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, Q
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(one pair, Queens).
Outcome: Hero won $12.66
 
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14/10/3.4 is stupidly tight over a decent number of hands, SB is stupidly spewy. You played it exactly as I would have - flat BB because if we get 5-bet shoved then we're screwed, call SB because if they had KK or AA they 3bet.

EDIT: seeing you didn't have the stats at all, I likely 4-bet to iso the BB and maybe get it in vs a 5 bet. I love to flat here heads up IP but QQ vs two players isn't optimal.
 
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I had enough stats to know SB is fishy and BB is decent, so the read was correct but I can't exactly remember the numbers at the time (so it was a tentative evaluation but looked too promising to pass up). I didn't have any notes on either.

Problem with 4betting BB is that I actually don't want to isolate him, I want the fish :( but as I said I am unsure about all this.
 
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I had enough stats to know SB is fishy and BB is decent, so the read was correct but I can't exactly remember the numbers at the time (so it was a tentative evaluation but looked too promising to pass up). I didn't have any notes on either.

Problem with 4betting BB is that I actually don't want to isolate him, I want the fish :( but as I said I am unsure about all this.
What you had done if the BB calls?
 
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Probably fold... I don't see him stacking off without KK+ especially with me behind left to act. I don't have odds to try and suck out against a better pair.

If I had KK then most likely I would stack off anyway just because I can't be 100% sure about my own opinion and besides I kind of always stack off with KK unless the other guy is a proven nit (there is a guy who only 3bets AA and I have seen a few who only raise AA). Maybe this is wrong but what the hell.
 
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Line's fine imo. Hell I'm even fine seeing flop with QQ vs two people, odds of cooler just aren't that high if there isn't an overcard (and if there is bailing out vs aggression becomes easier). Most of the time the flop will roll out something like J45 or T77 or whatever and BB will fold when we lead flop without TPTK or better, flat with, maybe raise with QQ+.
 
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Probably fold... I don't see him stacking off without KK+ especially with me behind left to act. I don't have odds to try and suck out against a better pair.

If I had KK then most likely I would stack off anyway just because I can't be 100% sure about my own opinion and besides I kind of always stack off with KK unless the other guy is a proven nit (there is a guy who only 3bets AA and I have seen a few who only raise AA). Maybe this is wrong but what the hell.
You know ... your QQ is beating his 3-bet range even though he is probabelly tighter than it looks. I do not think it is a bad ideea to call especially when he saw you just calling the 3-bet. Pls run some simulations with the Pokerstove and tell me your opinion. You would had played differently with a smaller PP?
 
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Well QQ is good vs 3%+ 3betting range but this is vs 2 opponents so presumably it is a bit tighter (even if fish is probably behind after just calling) since he should take into consideration my own UTG range, all of which makes QQ borderline.

With smaller PP, I probably don't even call the 3bet OOP with fish still to act since flop hits an overcard around 50% of the time and I might be already well behind.
 
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