$5 NLHE Full Ring: Can my two pair ever be good here?

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Tricky123bet

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pokerstars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

UTG: 101.8 BB (VPIP: 16.98, PFR: 11.64, 3Bet Preflop: 2.79, hands: 653)
UTG+1: 156.8 BB (VPIP: 12.88, PFR: 10.73, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 2,258)
MP: 89.2 BB (VPIP: 13.53, PFR: 8.27, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 133)
MP+1: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 16.28, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 45)
Hero (MP+2): 148.2 BB
CO: 171.4 BB (VPIP: 12.51, PFR: 8.85, 3Bet Preflop: 2.56, Hands: 939)
BTN: 101 BB (VPIP: 21.92, PFR: 13.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 152)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 20.86, 3Bet Preflop: 7.38, Hands: 358)
BB: 91.6 BB (VPIP: 20.43, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 95)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Td Ah
fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop : (7.4 BB, 2 players) Ac Ts Ks
Hero bets 5.2 BB, BTN raises to 14 BB, Hero calls 8.8 BB

Turn : (35.4 BB, 2 players) 8d
Hero checks, BTN bets 31 BB, fold

BTN wins 34 BB

Villain had an AF of 1.40, 0% raise cbet (0/8), 63% Fold to Cbet (5/8) and 0% 3bet (0/43). Villain might not even 3bet AK. I call the raise on the flop to see what villain does on the turn. In hindsight it might be stupid since I expect him to barrel almost always on the turn. I was planning to call a smaller bet but the big bet feels very nutted to me. No specific reads other than that I hadn't seen anything crazy from him so far. Is a fold on the flop way too weak, or is everything in order?
 
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What hands can he have that he is raising with here?
Beating you: AA KK TT AK QJ
Behind you: KT, spade draw, air

This spot is close but if he doesn't ever 3bet pre, how often is he CRing as a bluff? Never, I'd say. I think you are behind and would fold flop.

I fold here. I think you are behind.
 
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I would 3bet flop (30BB) and fold to a 4 bet. If he calls, he is chasing a flush and not slow playing a set/made straight.

I would put him on AQs or TT or KT or QJ. The fact he did not 3 bet would suggest he doesn't have any other premium hand.
 
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I fold here. I think you are behind.

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Annoying spot, but yes hard to see how you would beat him. Even if we would give him all Ax suited spades you would still be underdog and hardly ever he will raise draws given the stats. I do hope you did give it good though before you folded, because these are quite hard to spot during the game and in general your hand should be able to take quite much heat.
 
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Annoying spot, but yes hard to see how you would beat him. Even if we would give him all Ax suited spades you would still be underdog and hardly ever he will raise draws given the stats. I do hope you did give it good though before you folded, because these are quite hard to spot during the game and in general your hand should be able to take quite much heat.

I gave it as much thought as I could, given the limited amount of time I had to make a decision. I wouldn't rule out Ax of spades, especially AQ and AJ, but as you say I'm still behind all those hands, so it doesn't really matter. I think a fold on the flop probably would have been fine as well. Feels very much like QJ or AK to me.
 
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I think you played the hand fine. Versus a guy who is this passive, and going crazy on this kind of board, it seems very likely that you are crushed here.
 
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I think you got a very bad luck of the cards. You have a good hand, but your opponent is even better, unfortunately. You must fold to lose the entire stack.
 
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3bet flop mate.. if he shove you can make a decision.
 
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Flop call is meh, turn fold is good. If he went larger on flop we could fold.

Pokernuts, 3 bet/folding flop is pretty ehhhh.
 
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