$5 NLHE Full Ring: Triple Barrel Bluff fail - what was my mistake ?

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I am practicing my post flop strategy, and tried to bluff a pot by triple barrelling (my aim here is to practice the technique so I realise that in pure terms my play may not be optimal). So, in this play, what was it that made the villain passively call, even though I represented a bigger hand ? Bad play by me or should he really have folded (so correct play by me..)


PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 50 BB (VPIP: 6.25, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 82)
SB: 112.2 BB (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BB: 115.6 BB (VPIP: 11.54, PFR: 3.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
UTG: 114.6 BB
UTG+1: 124.6 BB (VPIP: 6.76, PFR: 1.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 75)
Hero (UTG+2): 71.4 BB
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP+1: 110.2 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: 192.6 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 11)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:heart: Q:diamond:

UTG raises to 2.4 BB, UTG+1 calls 2.4 BB, Hero calls 2.4 BB, fold, MP+1 calls 2.4 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (11 BB, 4 players) 8:club: 3:heart: 4:club:
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 5 BB, MP+1 calls 5 BB, fold, fold

Turn: (21 BB, 2 players) 8:heart:
Hero bets 10 BB, MP+1 calls 10 BB

River: (41 BB, 2 players) 5:club:
Hero bets 20 BB, MP+1 calls 20 BB

Hero shows A:heart: Q:diamond: (One Pair, Eights) (Pre 45%, Flop 22%, Turn 14%)
MP+1 shows 6:club: 6:heart: (Two Pair, Eights and Sixes) (Pre 55%, Flop 78%, Turn 86%)
MP+1 wins 77.6 BB
 
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I would say a very good start would be betting more! This is cash not a SNG or MTT. If you really did have say the set on the flop you wish to represent would you really bet less than half of the flop on a board with straight draws and flush draws? i think a flop bet of 8-11 BB's lets say you go 9.5 and he calls than makes the turn 29 BB's... you fire again make it around 20-24 BB's then i would give up there if he has called twice the river is A more likely to be kind to their range and B he has shown he is not willing to let go of his hand to 2 sizable bets.....
 
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At micro stakes like this if you have fired two bullets and he hasn't folded then its likely he is calling the river unless it is a very large final bullet. Even then if he is a true stubborn calling station he might call you down.
Did you consider what he might have before firing your last bullet? There is an obvious club draw to a flush which made it on the river. He could easily have an overpair or a set. In fact imo I think it more likely in this situation that he has one of those hands than 2nd pair.
As it happens he was passive as he had 2nd pair and he just wants to get to showdown as cheaply as possible. Its unlikely he was going to raise you with 2nd pair and build a big pot with a small hand.
Whether you fire three times is highly dependent on what you know about your opponent and the board texture.
He is a calling station and you can't bluff them off hands. Mark him up as such and next time you meet him bet big for value when you have a hand.
 
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You are playing micro, don't bluff.
 
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You are playing micro, don't bluff.

This, also, raise pre. He had 2nd pair and called your bet because it most likely missed you, then when the 2nd 8 came it made it even more unlikely that you had him beat. Good calling on his part. Also, less than half pot bets is not going to get many hands to fold. Bet bigger on the turn to apply more pressure.
 
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I think similarly to the general thoughts posted so far. I would play the same pre, not sure if calling is better than raising but it can't be that bad of a play either way. Id also bet a similar amount on the flop or maybe a little bit over half. By betting under half you're kind of saying you dont have a decent overpair or a set in my opinion. When MP calls I think it is very likely he has a hand such as the pair he actually has or a club draw. We can pretty much rule out ace high because is he really calling with 2 more players including preflop raiser left to act? 8 on the turn is a terrible card to barrel. How many 8s do you have in your range? Plus the second 8 makes it even more unlikely that you have one in your hand. A good card to bet would be anything higher than a 10 (non club). I personally would give up on the turn. 5 of clubs river is one of the worst cards in the deck for you and should definitely be a give up card. Unless you have a strong read that your opponent doesnt play flush draws this way, in which case bet close to pot to try and get him to fold single pairs. So again, check river.

I hope that analysis helped you. Im learning myself so it would be great if anyone had anything to say about the points I mentioned?
 
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Your sizing is a dead give away. And the way the board runs out, you are giving him a nice price to call. Either bet bigger or dont bet at all. Your burning money. Im calling you with ace high alot of the time with this sizing.
 
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Your sizing is a dead give away. And the way the board runs out, you are giving him a nice price to call. Either bet bigger or dont bet at all. Your burning money. Im calling you with ace high alot of the time with this sizing.

I'm definitely not, its multiway in a weird bluffing spot.

but more importantly buy in for 100bb, don't randomly bluff, think about what hands you want to fold, and what hands are in your range, you can basically only have a set here since, you raise all over pairs pre.
 
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