$5 NLHE Full Ring: TPTK

$5 NL HE Full Ring: TPTK

3 hands in no reads

pokerstars Game #30343837214: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2009/07/11 13:52:33 ET
Table 'Srbija V' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: CHERNOMOR_66 ($5.89 in chips)
Seat 2: Joghurtmann ($11.64 in chips)
Seat 3: BadBeatsFUll ($5.40 in chips)
Seat 4: sniky112 ($9.73 in chips)
Seat 5: pil89 ($9.50 in chips)
Seat 6: FHochstatter ($2.28 in chips)
Seat 7: dw_rules ($5.19 in chips)
Seat 8: jucator_33 ($4.93 in chips)
Seat 9: Gilles1988 ($9.87 in chips)
dw_rules: posts small blind $0.02
jucator_33: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BadBeatsFUll [Ah Kd]
Gilles1988: folds
CHERNOMOR_66: calls $0.05
Joghurtmann: folds
BadBeatsFUll: raises $0.20 to $0.25
sniky112: folds
pil89: calls $0.25
FHochstatter: folds
dw_rules: folds
jucator_33: folds
CHERNOMOR_66: calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [7h Kc 3c]
CHERNOMOR_66: bets $0.60
BadBeatsFUll: raises $1.35 to $1.95
pil89: folds
CHERNOMOR_66: raises $3.69 to $5.64 and is all-in

Kind of stuck yourself in a bad spot here. The problem is that you started building up a big pot while holding a marginal hand. TPTK is nice, but it's still only one pair, and one pair generally loses in big pots.

That being said, at this level with no reads, there are lots of people playing weak kings, and getting in with unbelievable holdings like 55 on this board. On top of that, there's a pot on the flop of $0.75 and effective stacks of $4.65, so getting it in with TPTK can't be too bad. With no reads, I'd get it in, not be happy about it, and see what he's doing this with.

I agree, it does seem a bit unneccessary to get youself in this position on the flop. Flat calling is optimal here, he is betting out enough to not give himself odds to draw to the flush; raising him gives any 12+out hand the odds to just shove over the top (assuming he knows this but probably not....but still)

I would call, then if the turn is a club and

-he bets - you are more than likely beat and if you're not then you're drawing to all kinds of beat.

-he checks - could be a trap, if you bet he is calling with most of his range that beats you and folds all of those that don't so there's nothing to gain from betting, just check behind and be cheerful of a cheap showdown

if the turn is a non club and

-he bets small - probably drawing but if he's still denying himself the odds to draw then let him. Just call and call again on a non-club river. If the river's a club then you have to fold because either he had you beat all the way during the hand or he has caught up to his flush and you lose to every single hand in his range except weaker kings.

-he bets bigs - He's not drawing and thinks you might be, you are only beating the weak kings in his range, the weak kings do not constitute a large enough % to warrant calling here.

-he checks - Unless he's planning to check raise then you're way ahead, throw out a 2/3 to 3/4 pot raise to get calls from weak kings and drawing hands. Everything else probably folds and your single pair takes a nice pot.


You want to look deeper into a hand before making a decision to raise on any flop. A raise on any flop is leaving you pot commited if you are raising a hand you're willing to go all the way with. You need to process what can happen on the turn and river and decide what you will do with your hand as everything in front of you evolves. fwiw this is called "the line you take"

As you get better at the pokerz, the line you take in a hand is based on what your opponents have, then what your opponents think you have, and in the super highest limits what your opponents think you think they have. Ignore all that for now though and try to concentrate on how hands you play will progress based on the texture of the board, then add the tendancies of your opponent.

And you're never super happy about getting a single pair all in on any flop in a cash game for 100 big blinds, whether you got it in ahead or not.

Your flop raise of his donk bet pot commits you. Either call and reevalute the turn or be prepared to ship it with TPTK. I don't mind stacking this as it could be a worse King, flush draw or other weird holding enough to make this a profitable move.

At most other levels this probably isn't that great of a move without some read, but at 5NL I really don't mind getting it in on the flop.

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i see how i could of cut my loses here so to make sure i got this right when 2 clubs hit a flop and some1 bets pot usually not a flush draw ???

RIBA said:

i see how i could of cut my loses here so to make sure i got this right when 2 clubs hit a flop and some1 bets pot usually not a flush draw ???

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It depends on how much they bet, what type of player they are, what position they're in and how many players are in the pot. After taking all these things into account you will create the range of hands you think your opponent is holding and act accordingly.

The result of that action will be to profit the most from the hands you beat in that range, and lose as little as possible from those you aren't beating.

Plus...if you have a bankroll of $150+ then gradually move up to 0.05/0.10. the quality in play isn't much better so your winrate will double. Notice how I say gradually...

RIBA said:

i see how i could of cut my loses here so to make sure i got this right when 2 clubs hit a flop and some1 bets pot usually not a flush draw ???

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Without reads it is very hard to say whether villians will bet flush draws or not. What do you mean cut your losses?

Steveg1976 said:

Your flop raise of his donk bet pot commits you. Either call and reevalute the turn or be prepared to ship it with TPTK. I don't mind stacking this as it could be a worse King, flush draw or other weird holding enough to make this a profitable move.

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