$5 NLHE Full Ring: My straight again potential fullhouse on turn

$5 NL HE Full Ring: My straight again potential fullhouse on turn

My first post of hand-analysis so unsure how to go about this. Please be kind if I'm not articulating well.

Put simply, I'm unsure how I handled this on the turn. A potential full-house on turn but he checked. After he called my bet on the turn, should I have called his bet on the river?

This is Rush so I had no read on him.


full tilt poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BTN: $2.00
SB: $4.76
BB: $18.97
UTG: $4.29
UTG+1: $5.07
UTG+2: $5.93
MP1: $1.85
MP2: $10.17
Hero (CO): $1.93

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with T A
5 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) J K Q (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.45, Hero calls $0.45, SB folds

Turn: ($1.35) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.45, BB calls $0.45

River: ($2.25) 4 (2 players)
BB bets $1.30, Hero calls $0.88 all in

You flopped a st8 & got big stack to play for all your money, (why you should reload by the way). Well done.

I hear you about reloading. Cash games feel unwieldy as yet for me so I'm feeling cautious. I do see the sense of it, though.

I did lose this hand. I don't feel sure that I should have called that bet on the river. The way he checked on the turn, then called my bet...gave me pause.

I had a similar situation in rush today also. Flopped a straight played it slow and villain rivered quads. In your situation I might have shoved on the flop considering you were short stack villain will probably pay you off.

I didn't think of that, FatBasset. I'm having trouble adjusting to stack size significance with cash games. Because it's more open-ended than a sng, I guess.

Thanks for the input.

Don't fold this. Feel very good about getting your chips in here.

When the effective stack (shortest remaining stack) is low, relative to pot size, you need to play for stacks a lot lighter.
There is no reason to believe your opponent has a full house very often, giving him a range of AT+, KT+, QT+, JT, TT+ on the flop and turn, after card removal on the turn you've still got 64% equity against his range (download a program called pokerstove to help with figuring out equity vs ranges) and with your remaining stack on the turn being the same as the pot size, you're always going to get 2:1 on your money to play for stacks beyond this point (pot+his stack=twice what you have to pay to shove or call all in) and at that point you really shouldn't be folding much, you only need 33% equity to stack, you've got 64% (at the lowest), you really shouldn't fold this.

Lilli3 said:

I hear you about reloading. Cash games feel unwieldy as yet for me so I'm feeling cautious. I do see the sense of it, though.

I did lose this hand. I don't feel sure that I should have called that bet on the river. The way he checked on the turn, then called my bet...gave me pause.

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I wouldnt worry about whether you won or lost the hand. I would worry about how you played and why you make the moves you do, ie. check, bet, raise or fold.

I would probs shove the turn(if you dont shove the flop). He can have so many hands here that will call your shove givin your stack size and not many are a full house. You can pretty much discount Ks or Js as these would probs be 3 bet preflop cause at 5nl most players will do that. So that leaves KQ and QJ for the full. Hands that you beat that probs call could be KT, JT, QT, Qx and maybe Ax and Kx.

Only hands that are realistically beating you are KQ and QJ based on preflop play. Either is a possibility based on pre/postflop play. You're getting it in that short stacked, and hopefully you're winning

1)Turn on auto reload so your not stuck with akward 40BB stack.

2) Raise the flop. Its an action flop and there is no sense in slowplaying since not alot of cards make him want to put more money in if he doesnt allready but there are plenty of action killers that can come(Ace,K,Q,J,T,9)

3) Call river. With this shallow stacks you cant fold here. It might be a diffrent story if u had 100bb+.

S93 said:

Raise the flop. Its an action flop and there is no sense in slowplaying since not alot of cards make him want to put more money in if he doesnt allready but there are plenty of action killers that can come(Ace,K,Q,J,T,9)

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I agree with everything else you said, but this flop is a call. There's no need to raise because we're going to have no troubles getting the stacks in by the river.
No point declaring you've got a big hand by raising here.

Only change I'd make to the way this hand was played, apart from starting with 100bb, is to fold or 3bet pre-flop.

Kinda hard to 3bet when we are the first to open the pot from the CO .

Geting stacks in isnt the only reason why we raise the flop.
Yes we can get stacks in by just calling.
But villain pot donks in a 3way pot which imo means he has almost no(or very litle) air in his range.
If he has so litle air in his range why not get stacks in sooner before a 9-A has a chance to hit and either:
A)causes him to slow down.
B)Gives him a hand that splits/scoops the pot.

S93 said:

Kinda hard to 3bet when we are the first to open the pot from the CO .

Geting stacks in isnt the only reason why we raise the flop.
Yes we can get stacks in by just calling.
But villain pot donks in a 3way pot which imo means he has almost no(or very litle) air in his range.
If he has so litle air in his range why not get stacks in sooner before a 9-A has a chance to hit and either:
A)causes him to slow down.
B)Gives him a hand that splits/scoops the pot.

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Hmm... being folded to does make it kinda difficult to 3bet, good point. I've got no idea what's going through my head some/all of the time

Stacks are almost always going in on the turn after calling (SPR of 1, with villain OOP as the aggressor).
There are 15 cards in the deck that we don't want to see, T, J, K, Q, A.
30% chance. Even then some of those will give him two pair and some will scare him and he'll stack anyway.

It's that or risk scaring him off on the flop, and I don't put it past a random 5nl player to bet/fold 1 pair here.

Now I understand why posting for hand analysis is so highly recommended.

I'm taking notes. This is really helpful. Thanks, guys.