$5 NLHE Full Ring: Should I fear the full house here?

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sammyramone

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***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Full Tilt)
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, April 10, 06:05:25 ET 2015
Table Doig (real money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ( $7.91 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 3.2, hands: 25902
Seat 2: Player2 ( $2.50 USD ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 8, 3B: 7, AF: 1.9, Hands: 177
Seat 3: Player3 ( $5.00 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 10, 3B: 8, AF: 2.0, Hands: 97
Seat 5: Player5 ( $9.62 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 3.3, Hands: 2766
Seat 6: Player6 ( $4.58 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 2, 3B: 2, AF: 1.8, Hands: 283
Seat 7: Player7 ( $5.15 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 21, 3B: 13, AF: 10.0, Hands: 53
Seat 8: Player8 ( $7.69 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 6, 3B: 7, AF: 2.7, Hands: 201
Player2 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 6c 7c ]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player7 folds
Player8 calls [$0.05 USD]
Hero calls [$0.05 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 8c, Qc ]
Player3 checks
Player8 checks
Hero bets [$0.10 USD]
Player3 folds
Player8 calls [$0.10 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
Player8 checks
Hero bets [$0.25 USD]
Player8 calls [$0.25 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 4d ]
Player8 checks
Hero bets [$0.75 USD]
Player8 raises [$2.15 USD]
Hero raises [$6.76 USD]
Player8 calls [$5.14 USD]
Hero wins $0.22 USD
Hero shows [6c, 7c ]
Player8 shows [8d, 8h ]
Player8 wins $14.68 USD from main pot

His stats are 15/6/2.7/6.7

With a very low PFR he may have had some sort of Queen x hand, which was what I put him on. 4 hours into a session I got sloppy and ignored the potential of a set pairing with the queens. Should I be fearing that here? My biggest concern is a pot built from nothing, but I'm holding a flush here so..Do I just call his raise here? Or am I missing value in the long run by doing so?

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A tough spot! From my experience in microstakes, a player suddenly coming alive like this guy did spells real danger. Against a LAG I think I'd be prepared to stack off in this spot, but his stats suggest to me that he wouldn't play the hand like he does on the river without anything less than a FH. So I don't think calling his raise (rather than shoving) is losing value in the long run, against this particular type of player :)
Just thinking - wouldn't he raise on the turn if he hit trip Queens rather than a boat? Obviously the three clubs are pretty scary, but it's more likely you'd be drawing to a flush rather than already having one, so surely he wouldn't want you to chase a better hand for free? Considering the river is a blank (meaning his actions aren't affected by it), it's clear he wanted you to see the last card - a sure sign he is holding a made hand and hoping your hand improves enough for him to stack you off.
 
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That's a fair point there roddy regarding the blank river. Yeah I think given his stats you're right here. Building a pot from nothing on the river was a bit reckless on my part.

I find in micros - as you pretty much said - that people are shoving air or the nuts. And his stats would imply the latter.

And you're right he really would have raised the turn here. All in all I think I played this horrendously. But that's OK - I'm going to take this as a lesson.

Thanks for the advice roddy, it's extremely helpful!
 
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Raise preflop, don't limp.

bet the flop hard because we want ppl with Ac or Kc calling and get some value.

Most players on the turn would've re-raised in this spot trying to build the pot.

There is a chance he's calling the turn to put you off on the river. You havn't shown anything previously in the hand. But I guess this is low levels ppl don't think like this.
 
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Although I would have played it differently.

Here's how I see your play.

Pre-flop was a clear call. On the flop with flush, good bet. Turn, you bet and he called. What does that mean? Possible range of opponent: Any Q, T8, XcXc, Ac8, AcT, KcT, JcT, 88+.
On the river, you bet and he re-raised. Let's put that into perspective, he isn't doing it without these: QT, Q8, Q4, XcXc, 88, TT.

So was it a call, fold or raise (when he re-raised on the river). For me, it was a CALL, I have a good value hand and I don't to risk any more than I already have (because of the possible range we think he might have on the river).

There's an old saying: "Don't go broke in a limped pot"
 
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