$5 NLHE Full Ring: RUSH poker Perhaps a bad spot to C-bet IP?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

They all seem to average around 16/8 with a steal of 20, no particular reads so far as I can remember!

BB ($3.11)
UTG ($3.98)
UTG+1 ($5.79)
MP1 ($3.78)
MP2 ($2.45)
MP3 ($4.54)
CO ($3.92)
Hero (Button) ($5)
SB ($4.77)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8 , A
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.15

My button blind steal is with just 14c so 20c to isolate a limper seems reasonable here.

Flop: ($0.47) 6 , 4 , J (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30

Ok I am not so sure the C-bet here on such A dry board was a great idea IP. OOP I think you DO need to bet in this spot though as he is likely to take it away otherwise?

Turn: ($1.07) 8 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.70, MP2 calls $0.70

Ok I made my pair with TK and with just one over card I feel its time to bet.

River: ($2.47) 2 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

Ok after he calle the turn I go in to check call/fold mode.

Total pot: $2.47 | Rake: $0.16

Played well?

looks good to me.

Just for the future, I'd try to post only one or two hands per day, rather than seven, that's a few too many imo

Not too bad

I think you can start shutting down on the turn, check it back and call or check on the river. I don't see a lot of value here unless you think he is capable of calling down here with a 6 or maybe a pair of 5's or 7's, and he isn't going to fold a jack.

What are you looking to get called by on the turn that you beat?

erm I see your point but I guess I'd rather make the bet on the turn, continuing with the initiative than to check behind and risk being bet in to or shoved in to on the river. I think I had already decided to shut down at this point.

Bad reasoning?

Deceitful_Frank said:

Bad reasoning?

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Yeah, pretty much. What do you mean by "continue the initiative"? You're just betting because you bet the flop? Seems like a poor reason to bet.

I pretty much mean to continue applying pressure as if I have bet pre-flop, bet the flop because obviosly I have the nuts and continue betting the turn in a confident manner. In a way that I perhaps wouldnt if I had hit nothing and was not confident with my hand or my play.

I would rather raise pre-flop, C-bet, bet the turn and check behind on the river than bet pre-flop, C-bet, check behind on the turn giving a free card and probably have to call HIS bet (with HIM deciding how much) on the river.

I just like to stay on the aggressive.

Like you said however, I need to think about the hands that are gonna call me that I actually beat!

Deceitful_Frank said:

I just like to stay on the aggressive.

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So that way we can spew off a ton of cash!

C-betting the flop is one thing. Many hand values change preflop to the flop, and its typically pretty difficult to flop anything. Most players have fold to c-bets that are higher than 50%, so c-betting is almost always going to be profitable.

Fold to turn bet is another thing completely. There's only one additional card, so playing Hold'em, its rare that hand values change from the flop to the turn. If they called the flop, they're probably calling the turn. Most player's fold to turn c-bet reflects this, as its less than 40% for the most part.

And another point to think about: now we have a hand, and the only hands we're going to be able to bluff out on the turn are hands that we beat. 75 got there, so 35, 78, 77 and 55 are really the only draws we can continue to charge, and they might not call another barrel.

So bluffing's no good because we won't get enough hands that have us beat to fold. V-betting's no good because most hands we have beat won't call. So what do you think we should do?

Jesus, use your brain rather than just the old poker sayings like "winning poker is aggressive poker" and crap like that.

You are right, I spew off a TON of cash. I suppose I have just accepted that in order to win you need to stay aggressive and have faith that you will win more than you lose. I guess I need to move beyond blind aggression (even though it sometimes is the easiest way to deal with trouble) and try to really think about WHY I am betting.

Perhaps novices are advised to stay on the aggressive as its the easiest, if not the most efficient way to win.

Deceitful_Frank said:

Perhaps novices are advised to stay on the aggressive as its the easiest, if not the most efficient way to win.

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Well, they're typically advised to stay aggressive, because they're typically too passive. However, you don't seem to have that problem. Now you need to move beyond an all encompassing strategy and start analyzing situations and thinking about every action you take during a hand and how that fits in with your preflop plan that you made before you VPIP'd.

I think this hand is fine against someone you have history with who floats flops really wide (like any pair, any overs). That said, this is Rush and as I said in the other thread, you can't make read-based plays obviously. This is an awfully dry flop for him to continue on and limp-callers' range contains a lot of small pocket pairs and a ton of Jx hands.

Having actually picked up showdown value on the turn, checking it back is the best play, as an 8 is a terrible card to barrel. Be more inclined to bet if it's the Kc.