$5 NLHE Full Ring: QQ overpair vs poss straight on rainbow board

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$5 NL HE Full Ring: QQ overpair vs poss straight on rainbow board

I've got QQ in MP and flop an overpair w/ a rainbow board that has a possible straight. I don't have a lot of stats on the villain, but if anything he's a bit LAG. I put in a standard PFR & big raise on flop OOP. At that point I was a little worried he had A9, K9, but was thinking maybe he was loose & playing ATC and just had a pair. The turn was a scary, but I fired the double barrel. (Perhaps a bad idea?) The river paired the board.

The question is: to fire or not to fire the triple barrel? (I think I know the answer to this, but figured I'd check.

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $2.70
BTN: $4.92
SB: $8.13
BB: $0.88
UTG: $4.28
UTG+1: $8.18
MP: $4.00
Hero (MP+1): $5.17
LP: $1.68

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05, CO posts DB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.12) Hero has Q Q
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.15, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.52, 3 players) 7 8 6
Hero bets $0.75, fold, BTN calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.02, 2 players) T
Hero bets $1.30, BTN calls $1.30

River: ($4.62, 2 players) 8
Hero .....

Bets (shoves)? Check/calls? Check folds? Or just wishes he hadn't gotten this far....
 
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Describe to me the logic of betting this turn, and then what you should do on the river should be pretty obvious.
 
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If you ask me, villain either has a better hand than you or is an idiot. You don't spend half your stack on a straight draw, or slowplaying a lowly pair. He might be slowplaying two pair, but that would still be very risky play given the straight draw on the board.

I'd assume villain knows I hold an overpair. Playing a hand like T9s or 77 isn't uncommon on the button, and especially T9 slowplays excellently here.
Check and fold to any reasonable bet.
 
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All I can say is wtf.
 
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Well, here's the dramatic conclusion to the hand. (Probably not a huge surprise here)....

River: ($4.62, 2 players) 8
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Hero bets $2.97 and is all-in, BTN calls $2.72 and is all-in

Hero shows Q
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Q
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(Two Pair, Queens and Eights)
BTN shows 9
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K
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(Straight, Ten High)
BTN wins $9.39

Ok so first off, I think the villain made a questionable call to my PFR, but then again it wasn't a very big raise ... or maybe it was reasonable to call w/ K9s? Uuug.

On the flop I figured I'd overbet to charge him a lot to play an OESD -- which frankly, I didn't put him on. I was thinking (hoping) more like PP or maybe AXs and he made a pair. According to PokerStove, I was beating him 56% vs 44% on the flop, which really isn't great I now realize.. Of course he lucked out, got his straight on the turn, called me, and let me dig my own hole when I idiotically shoved even though I now had a scary turn AND river card. F--k me. I think I just knew checking was probably giving up the pot.

Two questions: Was it ok to overbet the flop? And if I felt compelled to bet the turn, was betting ~2/3 of the pot showing weakness after a flop overbet?

If you ask me, villain either has a better hand than you or is an idiot. You don't spend half your stack on a straight draw, or slowplaying a lowly pair. He might be slowplaying two pair, but that would still be very risky play given the straight draw on the board.
I'm guessing that his call on the turn wasn't out of line on his part, no?

All I can say is wtf.
Me too. :(
 
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I don't like the flop over bet, because you're not actually all that far ahead.

If you're betting the turn, its because you think he can fold hands you beat, or that he'll call with worse. I really think that neither is the case. Turn bet just seems like spew to me.
 
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Yup. Agreed. Thanks again everyone. :)
 
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Yup. Agreed. Thanks again everyone. :)


I would also say that you can definitely bet more pf. I just moved up to 10nl (yay!) but when i was playing 5nl I was betting at least 4bb, since you get a little more valueeeee.
 
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