$5 NLHE Full Ring: QQ BTN with juicy flop

jbbb

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I'm on 18/13 with ATS at 42%.
I think his 4-bet calling range smashes this flop, but on the other hand, my 4 betting range also hits this flop pretty hard apart from KK,QQ with no hearts. Anyway, whats your line and why?

Oh yeah, what about c-betting flop? Imperative or a big no-no?

Poker Stars - $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em (9 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $4.58
BB: $6.77
UTG: $4.02
UTG+1: $3.93
MP: $4.92
MP+1: $1.75
MP+2: $5
CO: $12.56
BTN: $12.83

Pre-flop: ($0.07) is BTN and dealt :qs4: :qc4:
6 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, SB folds, BB raises to $0.30, BTN raises to $1.14, BB calls $0.84

Flop: ($2.30) :ah4: :10h4: :jh4: (2 players)
BB checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($2.30) :ah4: :10h4: :jh4: :8s4: (2 players)
BB bets $1, BTN folds, BB returned $1
 
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What do you think he calls a 4bet with OOP?
 
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What do you think he calls a 4bet with OOP?

being a fishy player I could say like broadways maybe even pairs as low as 8 coz he thinks set mining is cool. however his stats show he's a decent player which leads me to believe TT+ AQ+ at the loosest. It is BVB though which means he could probably open his range a bit so TT AQ+ isn't all that far off imo.

Anything I can put him on has me smashed thought hence the fold (TT,JJ,AJ,AT,AK,AQ,KK)

What range do you think he is calling?
 
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It's btn vs blind so I think he calls with a tight range OOP, so I'm thinking jj+ AK but i always give people tight ranges. If he opens wider because it's btn vs blind however but calls with a very tight range vs a 4bet, i like calling in position to keep in his trash and let him vtown himself or get it all in with a middle pair that he cant fold on a 3 2 6r board or something, or stack off with AJ when the board comes 2 7 J etc
 
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It's btn vs blind so I think he calls with a tight range OOP, so I'm thinking jj+ AK but i always give people tight ranges. If he opens wider because it's btn vs blind however but calls with a very tight range vs a 4bet, i like calling in position to keep in his trash and let him vtown himself or get it all in with a middle pair that he cant fold on a 3 2 6r board or something, or stack off with AJ when the board comes 2 7 J etc

Yeah sounds like a much better plan. However if he thinks i'm stealing and then decides to try and defend with Ax Kx and the flop comes ace or king high, i've just let him outdraw me for pretty cheap.

However he has like 15% to hit an overcard on the flop if he's playing rag ace or king ,and so should I just take the risk as it's a relatively small part of his range and the value I can get from other hands (KJ on J high, mid pair on 5 high etc) will outweigh the times he outdraws me on the flop?
 
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I like the way you played it, but I think calling his turn bet, which is kind of small IMO, wouldn't have been that bad of a thing. He's put in about a third of his stack with the turn bet.

I wouldn't have c-bet the flop with 3 hearts out there, with him checking behind, it makes it seem as though he probably has one heart in his hand.

If flop comes with 2 hearts instead of 3, then I'd probably cbet $1.35 or $1.40.
 
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However he has like 15% to hit an overcard on the flop if he's playing rag ace or king ,and so should I just take the risk as it's a relatively small part of his range and the value I can get from other hands (KJ on J high, mid pair on 5 high etc) will outweigh the times he outdraws me on the flop?


I think so, im notorious for not doing the math though :p
 
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