$5 NLHE Full Ring: Pocket AAs

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Everest, $0.03/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 10 Players
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CO: $2.55 (51 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)
SB: $1.64 (32.8 bb)
BB: $4.95 (99 bb)
Hero (UTG): $6.25 (125 bb)
UTG+1: $3.14 (62.8 bb)
UTG+2: $4.38 (87.6 bb)
MP1: $4.16 (83.2 bb)
MP2: $1.62 (32.4 bb)
MP3: $8.40 (168 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A
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A
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Hero raises to $0.34, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.34, MP1 calls $0.34, 6 folds

Flop: ($1.10) J
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K
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9
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(3 players)
Hero bets $0.83, UTG+2 calls $0.83, MP1 folds

Turn: ($2.76) 5
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(2 players)
Hero bets $5.08 and is all-in, UTG+2 calls $3.21 and is all-in

River: ($9.18) T
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(2 players, 2 are all-in)
 
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Yeah at least $1 on the flop but otherwise great.
 
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Nice to see I'm improving. $5 NL seems a lot tighter with a great deal more blind stealing.
 
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Nearly 7x raise pf? Would that not be spewy unless you had a read that people were callign any raise pf?
 
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Nearly 7x raise pf? Would that not be spewy unless you had a read that people were callign any raise pf?
At all micro stakes you'll find that people will call pretty much any preflop raise with exactly the same range of hands. Use this knowledge!
 
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I agree it was an over bet but I've seen plenty of people shove as their first move and get called down with rubbish so I tend to push my luck a little with QQ,KK,AA.
 
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At all micro stakes you'll find that people will call pretty much any preflop raise with exactly the same range of hands. Use this knowledge!

What BI would you start betting smaller pf? I probably should raise bigger pf but always think I might kill value and I like to raise any hand that I raise by the same amount.
 
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What BI would you start betting smaller pf? I probably should raise bigger pf but always think I might kill value and I like to raise any hand that I raise by the same amount.

Stakes are kind of irrelevant - I stop raising huge when there's no longer a reason to, ie when the people behind you stop calling huge opens. If there are 7 regs and 1 huge fish behind I still open like 5x at 100nl with AA.
 
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Stakes are kind of irrelevant - I stop raising huge when there's no longer a reason to, ie when the people behind you stop calling huge opens. If there are 7 regs and 1 huge fish behind I still open like 5x at 100nl with AA.

I mean a general rule of when you start raising less. at 5NL, 10NL and 25NL I've always raised 3.5x BB when i'm first in a pot, I just wondered what stakes I should be raising bigger than this. Evidently I should at 5NL but wondered if I should when i play 25NL. Obviously it's table dependant sometimes but surely there is a general rule of thumb where bigger raises starts losing value.
 
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As long as you don't vary your raise sizes based on the strength of your hand, you'll be fine. Base your raises on position (which, in a way, can be based on strength of range, but that's fine), stack sizes of people in the blinds, number of fish behind you, number of limpers already in the pot, if you have a habitual 3-bettor behind you, etc.
 
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My betting style is a bit less aggressive... I always come in at 2.5BB. Doesn't matter cards nor position (until antes kick in if MTT). I have found it helps in two ways, 1) my chip usage burn goes down, and 2) get a lot of limpers, no matter what the raise size is anyway in ring games. On this particular hand, there is a str8 laying there if someone has QT, and the only way to find out is a Cbet. The 5 on the turn is harmless and 2 thoghts run here with me, 1) either Cbet again, or, I think better would be 2) check call or check raise .. that will tell ya if QT is there or not.. The T on the river is a crusher for ya... Any Q has ya dead, probably a check fold to a big raise
 
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your betting style should be based on stack-to-pot ratios and how you want to set the hand to play out, not to reduce your chip usage burn, whatever that is.
 
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I mean a general rule of when you start raising less. at 5NL, 10NL and 25NL I've always raised 3.5x BB when i'm first in a pot, I just wondered what stakes I should be raising bigger than this. Evidently I should at 5NL but wondered if I should when i play 25NL. Obviously it's table dependant sometimes but surely there is a general rule of thumb where bigger raises starts losing value.
I've only played 2NL where I as default raise 4xBB and 5NL where I use 3xBB.
If the table structure tells me to do something else, I adapt ofc.
I would never raise 7xBB unless I had an insane calling station behind me.

I haven't had any succes but that's not due to these rules-of-thumb I think ;)
 
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Always stick to the general rules and deviate as the table dictates. Lets compare to the worst thing you can do first to the "best thing". The worst thing you can do is limp fold. The opposite of that would be to Shove pre flop. Situationally, the best thing you can do lies somewhere inbetween - finding that would be dependant on your goals/stack limitations etc... Most people (all things equal) value bet it and hope they catch a monster AAA boat, Nut flush, etc if they get a re-raiser. Getting a feel for when your 1 pair (and thats all you have...1 pair) gets beat is a thing of genius (knowing probability, knowing range of hands in play, knowing betting styles etc. Learning and deciding to look someone up on the river can be the hardest lesson to learn.
 
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One other thing... The only thing making this difficult is the fear of AA being cracked. AA should win most of the time - play it aggressive and take the loot as well as the bad beats in the same manner it deserves - its just 1 hand in millions you'll play. No tilting.
 
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Looks fine versus an unknown. Does this network not allow a HUD? I notice you don't ever seem to have stats on the hands that you post.
 
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It does but these hands I have less than 50 or so hands against them so the information is not too reliable.
 
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It does but these hands I have less than 50 or so hands against them so the information is not too reliable.

You'd be surprised how much even a few hands can help.

Id say 95% of the time i label someone as a fish after just 4 or so hands then they usually turn out to be just that.

You can almost tell just by looking at stack sizes too, if someones sitting with 78bb's and limped the last 2 hands or limped 2 out of the last 5 hands etc, then he's probably a fish! 10 hands on someone and theyre a 30/0, probably a fish.
 
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dont know what your normal raise size is, it just screamed aces -but if you dont think anybody notices go for it-as you move up you will need to decrease your preflop raise to a more normal 2-4bbs
 
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Ya I agree with acky. I think the VPIP and PFR stats in particular converge to pretty close to their true value in as little as 10 hands. At the very least you can completely rule out a certain player type after just an orbit or so. If a guy has played 90% of his hands there is pretty much no chance that he is a nit. If he hasn't played a hand yet there is almost no chance that he is a fish etc. So even just some rough idea does help in these spots.
 
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