$5 NLHE Full Ring: KQs preflop vs limp 3bet

LD1977

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MP3 ($16.67)
Hero (CO) ($6.04)
Button ($5.15)
SB ($5.22)
BB ($5)
UTG ($5.76)
UTG+1 ($5)
MP1 ($17.21)
MP2 ($5)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K
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, Q
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2 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.20, Button calls $0.20, 1 fold, BB calls $0.15, MP1 raises to $0.70, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.82) 2
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, 9
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, 10
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(2 players)
MP1 bets $1.08, Button calls $1.08

Turn: ($3.98) 4
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(2 players)
MP1 checks, Button bets $1.99, MP1 calls $1.99

River: ($7.96) 6
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(2 players)
MP1 checks, Button checks

Total pot: $7.96 | Rake: $0.39

Brutal flop :mad:

MP1 is a fish 59 / 25 / 7.8% 3bet.

No reads but all of these guys limp 3bet AA (very occasionally KK). My equity vs AA is 17% and even worse vs KK+.

1. Do I call preflop or is fold correct? If he can't fold AA (and he probably can't) is it worth it to go on?

Results below:
Button had 7
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, 7
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(one pair, sevens).
MP1 had K
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, A
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(high card, Ace).
Outcome: Button won $7.57

Well this was horrible :coffee:
 
Aleksei

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With multiple people in pot, in late (though not necessarily last) position, with 120BBs and a fish with initiative in pot? I flat pre and flush-mine, if I hit a flush (or for that matter a nut straight) at any point in the hand I KNOW I'm getting paid off on it.
 
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I need 2 pairs (one pair is likely dominated), OESD, flush or FD to continue (and the draws are possibly iffy if they don't both follow).

Do I flop that often enough?
 
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I need 2 pairs (one pair is likely dominated), OESD, flush or FD to continue (and the draws are possibly iffy if they don't both follow).

Do I flop that often enough?
It's more about what your villains flop. With a ton of people in pot and one of them having initiative, more than one of them will catch a piece of the board, so when you get your flush, FD, or OESD, you can go to town.

As for actual frequency, you will flop OESD/FD about 16% of the time, flush 1.5% straight maybe 1-2%, and 2-pair 2%, so total like 20%-ish.
 
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Where can I get these percentages from? I like numbers :D
 
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Couldn't tell you man, I've just been doing a lot of googling around and figuring stuff out in my head and stuff, so that it's super hard to give you a hard source.

10% for drawing a FD is solid, as is 1.5% for a flush and 2% for 2pair. 6%/1-2% for OESD/straight are moreso tentative figures based on the fact a lower SC draws one of 3 possible OESDs 10% of the time, and KQ draws to 2 straight draws (actually 1 OESD so it's more like 3% come to think of it).
 
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why u fold its a weak 3bet, by limp raising his hans is polarised so it is esay to play it post flop. u got good odds for a call so go for it and re-evaluate on the flop.
 
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