$5 NLHE Full Ring: KK, pair board, FD´s villain ch/R flop and donk turn

Logan2 · Nov 7, 2012

Villain is 30/10 A:5 on 31 hands.

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players

BTN: $5.70
SB: $2.17
BB: $4.19
Hero (UTG): $5.07
UTG+1: $2.21
MP1: $5.31
MP2: $5.00
CO: $5.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with K

K

Hero raises to $0.20, 6 folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.42) J

9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.62) 4

(2 players)
BB bets $0.95, Hero Fold.

I think make a mistake here, should just call or shove turn? (if just call will hate river if a flush is complete there, and was not sure to shove).

Seraphim · Nov 7, 2012

I'm not sure what is correct here but I'm never folding here esp given his AF even though it is A very small sample I'm probably jamming the only hands I am affraid of are JJ and some random 9 but their are soooooo many draws on board +he could just have A random Jack oh and it actualy is not A donk on the turn since he raised your flop bet.

The Messiah · Nov 7, 2012

As played up until turn is fine imo.

Call turn, fold river jam.
Your call on the turn will look so strong that he will have to give up on river if hes got the bare J/Air.
An argument can be made for calling any size bet on river, esp if its a complete blank but then again if villain did jam on a blank then thats just an uber strong move and would give up.lol
Would need more info on villain as to wether he would play a draw/tp hand like this to know wether we get the correct odds on making a call if he jammed and a blank hit, but until then you just have to give up imo(on river that is).

Btw dont ever shove turn against an agg player(or any for that matter, but agg esp) with a premium hand, as your just going to fold out all better, just being passive is the right move against a suspected agg player(small sample).

gnarus · Nov 7, 2012

This is an interesting hand. With the flop check raise and big turn raise I think he had ace 9. I agree with the fold. He raised there to not give you another card if you were on a draw. There are many draws on the board but most of them he could hit and still be worried about losing the hand. I dont think most people would bet a draw there.

Sori · Nov 7, 2012

I can't fold here. I'm calling the turn here and probably calling any brick on the river as well. He may have a 9 but I think he could be semi-bluffing here enough of the time to make this call. Maybe not the right play, but I know that if I'm at the table I don't buy he has a 9 or JJ.

JCgrind · Nov 8, 2012

this is not a fold on the turn vs this banana.

dont shove turn though. its bad. he only calls w 9x and folds everything you beat.

call turn and re-eval on the river. i nkow sample is small, but check is AggF on the river only. c9 once pointed out to me that lots of noobs go nuts on rivers. i find that despite this converging relatively slowly, it is a huge indicator of whether theyre likely FOS or not. im calling pretty much any bet there no matter what river card peels as long as villain doesnt pot it.

youregoodmate · Nov 8, 2012

JCgrind said:
this is not a fold on the turn vs this banana.

dont shove turn though. its bad. he only calls w 9x and folds everything you beat.

call turn and re-eval on the river. i nkow sample is small, but check is AggF on the river only. c9 once pointed out to me that lots of noobs go nuts on rivers. i find that despite this converging relatively slowly, it is a huge indicator of whether theyre likely FOS or not. im calling pretty much any bet there no matter what river card peels as long as villain doesnt pot it.

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Logan2 · Nov 8, 2012

The Messiah said:
Call turn, fold river jam.

Btw dont ever shove turn just being passive is the right move against a suspected agg player

JCgrind said:
dont shove turn though. its bad. he only calls w 9x and folds everything you beat.

call turn and re-eval on the river. c9 once pointed out to me that lots of noobs go nuts on rivers. i find that despite this converging relatively slowly, it is a huge indicator of whether theyre likely FOS or not. im calling pretty much any bet there no matter what river card peels as long as villain doesnt pot it.

Thanks guys makes sense about call turn vs not shove but not clear about river.

Both mention fold to jam or if are pot it. But if call turn we have $3.32 left and villain will have $2.49 left on river. Pot gona be $3.52 by then, so if he bet probably will go all left (wich is like 70% pot). Then is a call on river no matter what right?

John A · Nov 8, 2012

Call turn, call river.

The Messiah · Nov 8, 2012

/Logan/ said:
Thanks guys makes sense about call turn vs not shove but not clear about river.

Both mention fold to jam or if are pot it. But if call turn we have $3.32 left and villain will have $2.49 left on river. Pot gona be $3.52 by then, so if he bet probably will go all left (wich is like 70% pot). Then is a call on river no matter what right?

I hear yah! and it sucks I know, but no, we just fold to his all in bet.

As I said in an earlier post, or call just looks so strong that he will give up on river with all the hands we dominate the majority of the time to make folding>calling river.

Logan2 · Nov 9, 2012

The Messiah said:
I hear yah! and it sucks I know, but no, we just fold to his all in bet.

As I said in an earlier post, or call just looks so strong that he will give up on river with all the hands we dominate the majority of the time to make folding>calling river.

Damn, yeah it sucks.

But i guess to pay 95c on turn for the chance to he check back or min bet river with 3.52 pot is worth it vs just folding turn.

Thanks a lot man.

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