$5 NLHE Full Ring: KK losing hand, again, did I do it wrong ?

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enesem

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Another big hand, another loss.

I just can't win these hands - did I make it too easy or something ?

Here I have my eye on his stack and trying to get him in by the turn. I am unsure as to why he didn't fold, maybe I should have gone all in at the flop.

I dunno, I just can't win these hands. Variance, what a crock...


PokerStars - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 46 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BB: 47.3 BB (VPIP: 11.48, PFR: 8.20, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)
UTG: 119.4 BB (VPIP: 8.96, PFR: 7.46, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 137)
UTG+1: 129 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 24)
MP: 104.1 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 26.67, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 17)
Hero (MP+1): 108.1 BB
CO: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BTN: 103 BB (VPIP: 4.17, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:spade: K:heart:

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 5.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (16 BB, 2 players) 6:diamond: 8:club: 7:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets 20 BB, SB calls 20 BB

Turn: (56 BB, 2 players) 8:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets 20 BB, SB calls 20 BB and is all-in

River: (96 BB, 2 players) 9:spade:

SB shows A:heart: T:heart: (Straight, Ten High) (Pre 32%, Flop 29%, Turn 16%)
Hero shows K:spade: K:heart: (Two Pair, Kings and Eights) (Pre 68%, Flop 71%, Turn 84%)
SB wins 91.7 BB
 
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Pre flop we have to be raising more here, closer to 10bb I think.

The rest of the hand plays fine, target villains stack, half on the flop the rest on the turn. There even could be an argument for betting less on the flop, around 12bb, our goal is to get the money in, and we should bet as large as we think villain will call with their worst calling hand, in this spot I would be targeting a hand range of something like 22-55, how much can we bet to get those hands to call? That's the question I ask myself in spots like these.

When villain only has a SPR of 2, is interested and we have an over-pair all the money should be in by the river, every time. Just note him, reload and be happy to sit at the table with him.
 
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You got your money in with the best hand, its fine, a bad beat. It happens lots and lots and lots and lots, you need to deal with it.

Yea make it 9-10bb pre-flop.
 
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Eww, I HATE that preflop min raise.

Then you overbet the flop which looks.... weird IDK why you did that. He probably found it suspect so he floated you with 2 overcards and a gutshot draw. Not to mention you left him with only 20BB behind which really makes that bet unnecessary.
 
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I am looking at bet sizing, and adjusting to try to improve.

So, he raised first to 3BB, should I raise to 9BB ? 10 BB? (instead of 6) ? The problem here is that a raise that big generally is seen as an overbet and causes a fold, so I am betting lower to encourage action. I would normally go to 9bb, this time I went to 6bb, I guess I wanted him to call and get to the flop.

The big raise on the flop was deliberately half of his stack, to try to get an all-in re-raise from him. Calling unsettled me somewhat, though I couldn't see a flush draw and I didn't think a set, I had him on tens or jacks, or Ax.

Tenbob - it's not about the beat, painful though it is. I lose many hands like this, way more than I win, so I am posting for analysis to see where I went wrong.
 
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I am looking at bet sizing, and adjusting to try to improve.

So, he raised first to 3BB, should I raise to 9BB ? 10 BB? (instead of 6) ? The problem here is that a raise that big generally is seen as an overbet and causes a fold, so I am betting lower to encourage action. I would normally go to 9bb, this time I went to 6bb, I guess I wanted him to call and get to the flop.

The big raise on the flop was deliberately half of his stack, to try to get an all-in re-raise from him. Calling unsettled me somewhat, though I couldn't see a flush draw and I didn't think a set, I had him on tens or jacks, or Ax.

Tenbob - it's not about the beat, painful though it is. I lose many hands like this, way more than I win, so I am posting for analysis to see where I went wrong.

Honestly, a 3 bet minraise preflop shows more strength than a raise to 10bbs because you obviously dont want anyone to fold by minraise 3 betting. Now, wether villian realized that or not is another thing.(He obviously didn't) If you always 3bet to 10bbs pre, even with hands such as 98s or 99 and AKs and AA whose to say you have a monster or not?
 
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just a badbeat. Maybe would have raised more pre
 
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I am betting lower to encourage action. I would normally go to 9bb, this time I went to 6bb, I guess I wanted him to call and get to the flop.
While you can come up with situations where this works out, it's generally not good. Sure, he's likely to call somewhat wider. But so what? When he does call a larger 3bet, you build the pot more while you're well ahead of his range. Plus you reduce his implied odds.

Plus on those hands he calls the small 3bet with that would have folded to a larger one, how likely is he to put much more into the pot post-flop unless he improves to something fairly decent? And when he does improve enough to play a big pot, there's a fair chance he either out-flopped you or has a big enough draw to do so.
 
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No way of playing this hand wrong, this is just sick river here.... Very unlucky he should fold his hand imidiately at the flop....
 
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You did just right sir. Your opponent is very very loose. Someone bets, you raise and still he calls with ATs. On the flop, hes thinking Aces and gutshot 9 are his outs thats why he didnt fold.
 
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Low preflop bet, poor turn bet. I think you posted a similar hand to this in the last week?
 
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