€5 NLHE Full Ring: KK with K on the flop - how was it ?

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 13/10/2

Well, here is another fun hand for me:

Bad play, bad luck, or variance ? (Trying to stay positive, but I lose nearly every all in like this, I am desperate to find out why. Usually 2-3 buy ins per day)

I have been reading "No Limit Hold 'Em Theory and Practice" and it recommends bet sizing over 3 streets so that you end up with all the money in the pot. I tried to size my bets accordingly, thinking of how to get it in if I was called.

I think the strategy was right (hence me asking for comments), though I have to say I am getting pretty fed up with the bad beats. I would say less than 10% of my all ins with big hands result in a win.

Comments much appreciated.

PokerStars - €0.05 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 100 BB
UTG: 231.6 BB (VPIP: 32.05, PFR: 26.92, 3Bet Preflop: 11.54, Hands: 78)
UTG+1: 109.2 BB (VPIP: 16.97, PFR: 11.44, 3Bet Preflop: 3.87, Hands: 1,187)
MP: 273.4 BB (VPIP: 12.43, PFR: 9.41, 3Bet Preflop: 1.58, Hands: 575)
CO: 99.8 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 11.15, PFR: 7.75, 3Bet Preflop: 3.98, Hands: 652)
Hero (SB): 116.4 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K:spade: K:heart:

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, MP calls 6 BB, fold

Flop: (22 BB, 2 players) K:club: 4:club: 5:diamond:
Hero checks, MP bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Turn: (48 BB, 2 players) 3:diamond:
Hero bets 23 BB, MP raises to 251.4 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 71.4 BB and is all-in


River: (236.8 BB, 2 players) 2:spade:

Hero shows K:spade: K:heart: (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 70%, Flop 98%, Turn 91%)
MP shows A:heart: K:diamond: (Straight, Five High) (Pre 30%, Flop 2%, Turn 9%)
MP wins 227 BB
 
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Just bad luck, you played it well. Why didn't you bet the flop? If your plan is to get the stacks in over 3 streets a check back on the flop would squash that.
 
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Yeah, I should have, but figured if he didn't have a King he would have folded.

If a King hadn't have flopped I would have bet.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I think I would have done the same, especially if I had a nitty image at the table.

It just goes against your introduction to the hand in the OP.
 
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Yes, I realise that.

I think what I meant to say was that I was looking to play the hand to the end.

Previously, due to me always losing these kind of hands, I would massively overbet the flop to kill the hand, but I don't think thats good play.

So here, I really tried to play the whole hand.

I lost. Again.

I have previously honked abit about bad beats, where I was challenged to show my hands to illustrate whether losing was down to my play.

But, I am not sure it is, I think I just happen to be one of those players that always gets hit on the river. I understand variance, so I am putting it down to that, though also willing to understand it might be me, hence asking for advice.
 
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Fair enough....def wasn't your play that lost this hand, he wanted to get his all of his money in as badly as you did. He just happened to hit one of his 4 outs on the river.
 
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Make it bigger preflop ~12bb's plus
 
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Make it bigger preflop ~12bb's plus

Why? You think villian folds AK to a 15BB raise? Doubtful.

The flop could of been raised but I agree with you not wanting him to fold because what are the chances that he holds the one other king in the deck.

I would lead out slightly bigger on the turn but either way I think villian was getting it all in. Your lead out just looked strong and he made a horrible play and got lucky. I'm glad to see you posting a lot of hand histories enesem, this is the way to get help/feedback. This is just a straight up bad beat.
 
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Make it more pre-. How much of his opening range is he going to call for 9bb but fold if you make it 10-12bb? Probably not much, so since you're well ahead of his calling range, charge him as much as you can.

Bet the flop. Given you showed strength by 3betting pre-, what's he going to bet if you check that he'll fold if you bet? Again, not much.

Don't focus on the result. He played badly and sucked out. You may be able to influence his play somewhat, but you can't control it or the fall of the cards. So focus on what you can control, which is the quality of your decision-making. You got it in good against his range, so while your actions could be fine-tuned some, they still fine.
 
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Oh man. really sorry for the river. You did perfectly well. He thought he was ahead on the turn. Got the gutshot. No regrets. I would do also what you had done.
 
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nice played but just bad luck, so don´t feel bad and keep playing the same way, worst thing to do is to play on tilt or change the way you are playing just for a bad luck hand,

in this specific hand you had 40/44 cards in your side after the turn and over 90% of chances but bad luck just happens and hurts more in so big big pots like that

gl next time
 
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Thanks for the kind words.

At the end of it all, OK, the river is a stinker, but leaving that aside, I am more looking at how to play the set on the flop, whether the check/trap was preferable to bettiNG.

If I had won I would have posted the same for analysis, it's just I don't seem to win many of these, and those I do don't have specific plays to look at.

Thanks again though. The comments are appreciated.
 
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You must c-bet this flop to stay balanced. If you start checking back when you actually hit the flop, on this polarized a board, then your bets with air are going to be called all day.

That said, obviously the river is unlucky
 
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Preflop pot is ~7bb when it comes to you. You are OOP after the flop so I'm throwing in 3x the previous bet, +1 for the extra player and optionally +1 for your disadvantaged position. 12-15bb.

Especially when playing KK, the likes of AK calls you with 9BB a lot easier than 15bb, so you want to make them pay while they are behind if they are to hit their A on the flop.

Back to your situation: There are two suited cards on the flop, why check? I know you have answered this, but I want to ask you how you would feel if villain checks after you, and the turn comes another ♣? Are you still concerned you might scare him away? Or would you be delighted if he suddenly starts playing back at you after getting a free card?
 
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Great advice, thank you.

The point about the possible flush draw is very well made, I am not sure I even saw that. Thinking now, with that on the board giving away a free card doesn't seem very sensible.

I see I should definitely have bet on the flop for this and other great reasons. I'll work on the bet sizing too.

Thanks everyone.
 
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I think you played the hand perfectly well, it is obvious that if you make pre raise bigger he would definitely call, checking the river is great (who though he has the 4th king???) and he abviously put you on a draw and he thought he was favourite. I think this is one of the ugly bad beats that are happening on pokerstars that's why i dont play there, you can try another poker room and see the diverence.
 
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I think you played the hand perfectly well, it is obvious that if you make pre raise bigger he would definitely call, checking the river is great (who though he has the 4th king???) and he abviously put you on a draw and he thought he was favourite. I think this is one of the ugly bad beats that are happening on POKERSTARS that's why i dont play there, you can try another poker room and see the diverence.

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