$5 NLHE Full Ring: KK 4bet bet sizing

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Jreece18

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888 Poker - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 2.13, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 47)
UTG+1: 29.8 BB (VPIP: 9.52, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
MP: 136 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 15.91, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
MP+1: 92.6 BB (VPIP: 24.21, PFR: 1.05, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 95)
CO: 51.4 BB (VPIP: 56.82, PFR: 38.64, 3Bet Preflop: 21.43, Hands: 44)
BTN: 104.6 BB (VPIP: 14.88, PFR: 12.15, 3Bet Preflop: 3.37, Hands: 220)
SB: 60.4 BB (VPIP: 40.16, PFR: 3.63, 3Bet Preflop: 1.69, Hands: 399)
Hero (BB): 126.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K<font color='red'>♦</font> K<font color='black'>♣</font>

fold, fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, CO calls 2 BB, BTN raises to 11.4 BB, SB calls 11 BB, Hero raises to 30.6 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 19.2 BB

Flop: (76.6 BB, 2 players) J<font color='black'>♠</font> 5<font color='red'>♥</font> A<font color='black'>♣</font>
SB bets 29.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 29.8 BB

Turn: (136.2 BB, 2 players) 2<font color='black'>♠</font>

River: (136.2 BB, 2 players) 4<font color='black'>♠</font>

Focusing on the PF, decent bet sizing? I didn't 4bet shove with the intention of folding if the BTN 4bet shoved me due to his low 3bet. Wondered if I should bother with this or just shove..
 
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I would be greedy and do what you did hoping 2 calls. I would not fold to 4bet though here, he might shove AK sometimes given how large pot already is and fish involved, and for same reasons hero should call.
 
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Yes. Hand is well played and you are never folding KK to 5bet shove
 
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Why the call on the flop though? What are you beating besides QQ turned into a bluff?
 
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I think this is fine. You could shove this or go a little lower on sizing like 25xbb. You want to have some hands to fold to a re raise. Not many but you don't want to be only doing this with QQ+.
 
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This is a weird spot because of pot/stack ratios but I think your 4bet needs to be larger. Somewhere around 40bb or so would be better. When the action gets to you there are 5 players in the pot (including you) and all but 1 of them have position on you. When you make it 30bb several players behind you are getting 3 to 1 pot odds. Even worse, if MP or CO call the 4bet, the BTN and SB will be getting almost 5 to 1 pot odds. Also, considering that the CO and SB already 3bet and called, they will RARELY fold to a 4bet when getting those kind of odds. When you get to the flop you will likely be OOP and any bet would pretty much make you pot committed. Since you are OOP and several of your opponents have stacks of less than 100bb, just moving all in is probably the best choice here. (it also avoids this exact post flop spot where u know you should fold but the bet is small and you can't help yourself......lol)
 
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