This is a discussion on $5 NLHE Full Ring: KK 4bet bet sizing within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; 888 Poker - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players
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UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 2.13, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
Focusing on the PF, decent bet sizing? I didn't 4bet shove with the intention of folding if the BTN 4bet shoved me due to his low 3bet. Wondered if I should bother with this or just shove..
25th May 2017, 11:28 PM
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Game: 6max zoom
I would be greedy and do what you did hoping 2 calls. I would not fold to 4bet though here, he might shove AK sometimes given how large pot already is and fish involved, and for same reasons hero should call.
26th May 2017, 1:33 AM
Yes. Hand is well played and you are never folding KK to 5bet shove
27th May 2017, 3:58 AM
Always shove KK and AA
27th May 2017, 4:39 AM
Why the call on the flop though? What are you beating besides QQ turned into a bluff?
27th May 2017, 5:32 PM
re: Poker & $5 NLHE Full Ring: KK 4bet bet sizing
I think this is fine. You could shove this or go a little lower on sizing like 25xbb. You want to have some hands to fold to a re raise. Not many but you don't want to be only doing this with QQ+.
28th May 2017, 4:36 AM
This is a weird spot because of pot/stack ratios but I think your 4bet needs to be larger. Somewhere around 40bb or so would be better. When the action gets to you there are 5 players in the pot (including you) and all but 1 of them have position on you. When you make it 30bb several players behind you are getting 3 to 1 pot odds. Even worse, if MP or CO call the 4bet, the BTN and SB will be getting almost 5 to 1 pot odds. Also, considering that the CO and SB already 3bet and called, they will RARELY fold to a 4bet when getting those kind of odds. When you get to the flop you will likely be OOP and any bet would pretty much make you pot committed. Since you are OOP and several of your opponents have stacks of less than 100bb, just moving all in is probably the best choice here. (it also avoids this exact post flop spot where u know you should fold but the bet is small and you can't help yourself......lol)