$5 NLHE Full Ring: JJ OOP overcard on paired rainbow board

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pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($5.13)
MP2 ($1.93)
CO ($3.29) No real stats on this guy so assume a regular 20/8
Button ($5.14)
Hero (SB) ($5)
BB ($5.25)
UTG ($4.02)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J
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, J
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3 folds, CO calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.55) 5
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, 5
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, K
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(2 players)

I feel he is unlikely to have a 5 though of course I fear a king. I guess this is a WAWB but OOP I would sooner bet and maintain control than check/call.

Hero bets $0.35
, CO calls $0.35

Turn
: ($1.25) 4
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(2 players)

Perhaps he has 99, 88 or random paired paint and is floating. With possible flush draws I feel another shot is in order...

Hero bets $0.80, CO calls $0.80

River: ($2.85) 2
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(2 players)

OK time to give up!

Hero checks, CO checks

Did I play this hand too fast? Surely check/calling the flop wasn't a better option. Perhaps a check/call on the turn would have been cheaper because he would be less likely to bet the river if I called he turn bet?

What do you guys think?
 
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Turn: ($1.25) 4
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(2 players)

Perhaps he has 99, 88 or random paired paint and is floating. With possible flush draws I feel another shot is in order...

Hero bets $0.80, CO calls $0.80
I want you to make 3 lists for me.

List #1: List the hands he calls the flop with.

List #2: Take list 1, and pick out all the hands he calls a turn bet with from list 1.

List #3: Take list 1, and pick out all the hands he folds to a turn bet from list 1.
 
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I want you to make 3 lists for me.

List #1: List the hands he calls the flop with.

List #2: Take list 1, and pick out all the hands he calls a turn bet with from list 1.

List #3: Take list 1, and pick out all the hands he folds to a turn bet from list 1.


This. When you double-barrel as a bluff, you'd like to have some equity against his value range. There is no sense turning JJ into a bluff against a range of 88,99 or random air.

Compare that to double-barreling with AKss on a "Floatable" flop of J92 with 1 spade. This is a good flop to fire with two backdoor draws. Let's say villain floats you with underpairs here (TT, 88, 77). Those hands might give up on the turn, so there is value in double-barreling -- you can get worse hands to fold. Fortunately, if they continue, we still have some equity against all better hands, including ones he's never folding to a second barrel.
 
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I want you to make 3 lists for me.

List #1: List the hands he calls the flop with.

List #2: Take list 1, and pick out all the hands he calls a turn bet with from list 1.

List #3: Take list 1, and pick out all the hands he folds to a turn bet from list 1.


List #1: List the hands he calls the flop with
KK, KQ, KQs, KJs, AK, AKs, 55, 88, 99, TT, QQ, A5s and perhaps K5s is possible?

List #2: All the hands he calls a turn bet with from list 1.
KK, KQ, KQs, KJs, AK, AKs, 55 88, 99, TT, QQ, A5s and K5s. I guess the turn card doesnt really scare him much.

List #3: All the hands he folds to a turn bet from list 1.
I guess he isnt really folding any hands that he has called with...

Hmmm, are you implying that the turn bet was pointless? Should I have check called or check folded?

I probably wouldnt have barrelled this card had I not had a pair or hit the flop.

What cards do you think WOULD be good to see on the turn and mke it worth firing again. Are there any?
 
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List #1: List the hands he calls the flop with
KQ, KJ, KTs, 22-99

List #2: All the hands he calls a turn bet with from list 1.
KQ, KQs, KJ, KTs

List #3: All the hands he folds to a turn bet from list 1.
I guess he isnt really folding any hands that he has called with...

Hmmm, are you implying that the turn bet was pointless? Should I have check called or check folded?

I probably wouldnt have barrelled this card had I not had a pair or hit the flop.

What cards do you think WOULD be good to see on the turn and mke it worth firing again. Are there any?

Fixed your ranges. He never limp/calls from the CO with TT+, 2 fives on the board so they're basically non-existent in his range. Basically all pairs call the flop bet on this board but they never continue on the turn.
 
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List #2: All the hands he calls a turn bet with from list 1.
KK, KQ, KQs, KJs, AK, AKs, 55 88, 99, TT, QQ, A5s and K5s. I guess the turn card doesnt really scare him much.

List #3: All the hands he folds to a turn bet from list 1.
I guess he isnt really folding any hands that he has called with...

From your range, using list #2:
32.855% { JcJd }
67.145% { KK-QQ, TT-88, 55, AKs, A5s, KJs+, K5s, AKo, KQo }

So, we can't bet for value.

And in list 3, we can't bet as a bluff.

Looks like a check/fold or a check/call to me. I'd lean towards check/folding. Most pairs that you have beat will try to get to showdown, and most hands that beat you will be going for value.

There, now you know how to analyze a hand. Think about what they call with, what they fold, and what their total range is. Then using pokerstove, you should be able to figure out if you should value bet, bet as a bluff, or fold.
 
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This is a really interesting thread and worth a few read throughs for sure.
 
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From your range, using list #2:
32.855% { JcJd }
67.145% { KK-QQ, TT-88, 55, AKs, A5s, KJs+, K5s, AKo, KQo }

So, we can't bet for value.

And in list 3, we can't bet as a bluff.

Looks like a check/fold or a check/call to me. I'd lean towards check/folding. Most pairs that you have beat will try to get to showdown, and most hands that beat you will be going for value.

There, now you know how to analyze a hand. Think about what they call with, what they fold, and what their total range is. Then using pokerstove, you should be able to figure out if you should value bet, bet as a bluff, or fold.

This is awesome, thanks for the great post.

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