$5 NLHE Full Ring: JJ in the SB K on the turn

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$5 NL HE Full Ring: JJ in the SB K on the turn

This guy has been a pretty tight/passive player, only in the game about 50 hands or so- so not exactly a sample worth mentioning- additionally is there a HUD that works with MAC OS or do I just need to load one through bootcamp -any body who uses a Mac.

Stacks:
* MP1 with $6.07
* MP2 with $5.25
* MP3 with $7.87
* CO with $0.86
* BTN (Villain) with $5.07
* SB (Hero) with $6.47
* BB with $4.86
* UTG with $4.86
* UTG+1 with $5.00

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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: full tilt poker
* * Dealt to SB:J♣ J♠
* * Sklansky group 1
Preflop:
* * MP3 checks
* * 5 players fold.
* * BTN calls [$0.05]
* * Hero raises to $0.30
* * 2 players fold.
* * BTN calls [$0.25]
* * Total folds this street: 7
* * Potsize: $0.65
Flop:
* * 6♣ 10♥ 4♣
* * Hero bets [$0.70]
* * BTN calls [$0.70]
* * Potsize: $2.05
Turn:
* * K♠
* * Hero checks
* * BTN bets [$4.07, and is all in]


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This certainly seems like a good place to begrudgingly fold. Nothing here indicates that you're ahead when the K hits. Let your $1 go that you have in the pot and take it back in a better spot.
 
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I think it depends on your villains aggression on each street.

If he is a bluffy player then the K is a good bluffcard for him.

I may have led out with a 1/2 pot blocking bet.

If he calls that then I am done with the hand.

If the card were an Ace then I see no sense in betting.. I check and fold.

As is.. I couldn't call the AI.. although I think he bluffs here a good percentage of the time. I just don't see him hitting a K and then shoving as he most likely has TP and is pushing you out of the hand, when really he should be checking in the hope you bet the river for value.


Then again, if he is a bluffy player, I think I check the flop to him in the first place and call any bet.
 
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Stu_Ungar said:
I think it depends on your villains aggression on each street.

If he is a bluffy player then the K is a good bluffcard for him.

I may have led out with a 1/2 pot blocking bet.

If he calls that then I am done with the hand.

If the card were an Ace then I see no sense in betting.. I check and fold.

As is.. I couldn't call the AI.. although I think he bluffs here a good percentage of the time. I just don't see him hitting a K and then shoving as he most likely has TP and is pushing you out of the hand, when really he should be checking in the hope you bet the river for value.


Then again, if he is a bluffy player, I think I check the flop to him in the first place and call any bet.
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The toughest thing is that at this level people do some wacky things, and that was really my dilemma, probably 1/2 pot bet is the smart play doesn't open me up to the bluff as easily and I can still get out relatively cheap. I know I showed weakness at checking the K, to him its a clear sign i dont like it. But I've seen people all in on TP before hoping to get called, I've called people before thinking why would someone go all in with Top pair, if they had it wouldn't they want to string me along...? no they dont.

I folded and figured I would have a chance to get that money back later, from him or somebody else.
 
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at this stakes anything is possible.He could hold absolutely nothing or he could even called your flop bet with 2 overcards and hit his K on the turn.However, it`s not worth taking the risk here since that K hit the board.
 
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i think you are facing 44, 66, kk , or ak here...most likely 44,66...hope you folded
 
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Ubercroz said:
The toughest thing is that at this level people do some wacky things, and that was really my dilemma, probably 1/2 pot bet is the smart play doesn't open me up to the bluff as easily and I can still get out relatively cheap. I know I showed weakness at checking the K, to him its a clear sign i dont like it. But I've seen people all in on TP before hoping to get called, I've called people before thinking why would someone go all in with Top pair, if they had it wouldn't they want to string me along...? no they dont.

I folded and figured I would have a chance to get that money back later, from him or somebody else.
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I have done the same thing with TPGK on a rainbow board.

My logic... the only hand that beats me, that justifies the shove is a set. A set would string it out till the river. Therefore I am most likely against TPBK.

Who in their right mind raises with the best hand on a dry board where most players will fold??
 
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Goodwooter said:
i think you are facing 44, 66, kk , or ak here...most likely 44,66...hope you folded
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I get the feeling that if this guy had 44 or 66 he would have reraised me on the turn, not wait until the next card comes out that might improve me over him. I also dont think AK is too likely given the way things went pre-flop- i've been wrong about this kind of thing before, but I would imagine him somewhere in the Kx range, if he hit his hand. or possibly even K6, or K4 and managed to pick up two pair
- all of those beat me btw and I did fold.
 
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uioasd78 said:
only raise jj's in tournaments. you need to see the flop. pocket pairs are very sneaky hands and if your a good player you can outplay after the flop. so dont raise up to q's preflop. k's and a's you got raise unless you heads up which you just limp. goal is to get all the guys chips not just some of it.
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This sounds like a bad idea, no offense but I feel like I want to get rid of hands that may beat me after the flop, I also want to define my opponents hands more clearly. If I raise with a JJ preflop and only steal the ante's then ok, If i get a call from A10 and they dont hit an A or only get the 10 then good. I want a larger pot with a better hand- and I consider JJ preflop to be a pretty decent hand.
 
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You should not check here.. If he raises you here, you know your hand is beat.. If you check here, easy for him to raise.. He might think you made a Cbet and gave up when he called you
 
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Ubercroz said:
This sounds like a bad idea, no offense but I feel like I want to get rid of hands that may beat me after the flop, I also want to define my opponents hands more clearly. If I raise with a JJ preflop and only steal the ante's then ok, If i get a call from A10 and they dont hit an A or only get the 10 then good. I want a larger pot with a better hand- and I consider JJ preflop to be a pretty decent hand.
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The problem is that post flop about 1/4 of the deck scares the hell out of you. A,K,Q

With no preflop raise, you don't have all that much bluffing ability either.

So if an A,K,Q comes and your opponent bets, you have to fold.

With a preflop raise you may be able to represent a good A or K.

The BB could literally have anything.. Q3o??? a single Q on the board and he has to think he is good, but with a pre flop raise.. he starts thinking AQ? KQ? QT, QJ????
 
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i snapcall this. There are way more draws/Tx hands here in his range than Kx/sets. People that are slowplaying a set on this flop never outright jam turn when checked to and theres not a ton of Kx hands in his range.
 
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Stu_Ungar said:
The problem is that post flop about 1/4 of the deck scares the hell out of you. A,K,Q

With no preflop raise, you don't have all that much bluffing ability either.

So if an A,K,Q comes and your opponent bets, you have to fold.

With a preflop raise you may be able to represent a good A or K.

The BB could literally have anything.. Q3o??? a single Q on the board and he has to think he is good, but with a pre flop raise.. he starts thinking AQ? KQ? QT, QJ????
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This was what I was trying get acrossn I would hate to have someopne limp in or be the bb and hit some garbage hand he would have otherwise folded. At the same time I'm getting more $ in the pot with a.30 raise with 1 caller than I do with everyone limping after me.
 
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Its a trade off.

JJ is a pocket pair.

Pocket pairs don't fair so well in multiway pots.

So whats the point in limping preflop?

It ensures a multiway pot.
 
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