$5 NLHE Full Ring: I should have raised on river to find out more info?

pokerstars Hand #77196576200: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2012/03/14 18:31:12 ET
Table 'Susilva IV' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: slowhandband ($5.05 in chips)
Seat 2: Artem_29880 ($4.33 in chips)
Seat 3: Gabex01 ($4.79 in chips)
Seat 4: sopeltur ($5 in chips)
Seat 5: hiebsch87 ($5 in chips)
Seat 7: spikemaddog ($10.58 in chips)
Seat 8: Riviero1988 ($2 in chips)
Seat 9: maksim16 ($1.81 in chips)
maksim16: posts small blind $0.02
slowhandband: posts big blind $0.05
Koala1975: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to slowhandband [Ac 8c]
Artem_29880: folds
Gabex01: folds
sopeltur: raises $0.15 to $0.20
hiebsch87: folds
spikemaddog: folds
Riviero1988: folds
maksim16: folds
slowhandband: calls $0.15
*** FLOP *** [As 8h Jd]
slowhandband: checks
sopeltur: bets $0.25
slowhandband: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [As 8h Jd] [4s]
slowhandband: checks
sopeltur: bets $0.60
slowhandband: calls $0.60
*** RIVER *** [As 8h Jd 4s] [Td]
slowhandband: checks
sopeltur: bets $1.50
slowhandband: calls $1.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sopeltur: shows [Ah Ad] (three of a kind, Aces)
slowhandband: mucks hand
sopeltur collected $4.91 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.12 | Rake $0.21
Board [As 8h Jd 4s Td]
Seat 1: slowhandband (big blind) mucked [Ac 8c]
Seat 2: Artem_29880 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Gabex01 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: sopeltur showed [Ah Ad] and won ($4.91) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 5: hiebsch87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: spikemaddog folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Riviero1988 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: maksim16 (small blind) folded before Flop

errr, i meant raised on flop for more info lol

I converted your hand for you so its easier to understand. This is the one I used... http://www.handconverter.com/

I think you'll find that you'll get more responses if you convert your hands.


poker stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1684235
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Hero (BB): $5.05
UTG: $4.33
UTG+1: $4.79
MP1: $5.00
MP2: $5.00
CO: $10.58
BTN: $2.00
SB: $1.81

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with A :club: 8 :club:
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.20, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.42) A :spade: 8 :heart: J :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.92) (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

River: ($2.12) T :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Don't be results oriented. I think you should of raised somewhere in the hand to get more value, 2 pair is the nuts. nice hand

So first off we need info about your opponent or "villain" in this hand. Are they tight or loose? Agro or passive? Have you seen enough hands to even make any of these distinctions?

For me this is a 3 bet or fold type of hand from the blinds. The 3 bet would be as a bluff vs someone in LP(late position) who raises a lot. But since this is an eight handed table and the guy has raised from earlish position I think this is an obvious fold pre flop.

Also raising for information is actually a really bad play. You either raise for value or as a bluff or to collect dead money. Its all explained here https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/why-you-betting-189182/

Yeah i agree, if the opponent is not clearly a loose fish then just fold pre.

Fold or 3bet pre (usually fold). Raise the flop. Raise the turn etc.

preflop is terrible, not giving him all your chips postflop is also terrible. Don't raise for information.

Fold pre fold pre fold pre.

Also raise every street

Fold pre, not close. This is likely a huge leak.

Whether to donk or checkraise flop is villain dependant. For Fish I check raise.
People who won't stack off with toppair or don't c-bet this board I donk and fire out big all three streets.

Ok thanks for your inputs, didn't have much info on villain. Will use hand convertor next time sorry. Did the guy who suggested I raise every street realise I lost the pot?

Yep we all realised you lost the pot but that doesnt mean anything, don't include results in future hand histories by the way, you'll get better responses.

acky100 said:

Don't be results oriented. I think you should of raised somewhere in the hand to get more value, 2 pair is the nuts. nice hand

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raising is the right play, get as much money in and feel good about it.

acky100 said:

Yep we all realised you lost the pot but that doesnt mean anything, don't include results in future hand histories by the way, you'll get better responses.

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Ditto, convert your hand as well.

slowhand said:

Ok thanks for your inputs, didn't have much info on villain. Will use hand convertor next time sorry. Did the guy who suggested I raise every street realise I lost the pot?

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Oh so you knew you were going to lose before you actually saw his hand?

Like I said, fold pre. As played raise every street.

slowhand said:

Ok thanks for your inputs, didn't have much info on villain. Will use hand convertor next time sorry. Did the guy who suggested I raise every street realise I lost the pot?

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The results and villain's holding don't matter.