$5 NLHE Full Ring: How to play 5NL micro villains who min bets into big pots on all streets?!?

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$5 NL HE Full Ring: How to play 5NL micro villains who min bets into big pots on all streets?!?

First off, I know I know -- I shouldn't have 3bet 44 preflop, especially vs an EP raise. I know. The little I knew of his suggested he was loose passive, but couldn't say for sure. This illustrates, however, a pattern I see in the micros a lot, and it drives me crazy! Here goes....

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

LP: $4.95
CO: $1.17
Hero (BTN): $6.38
SB: $6.59
BB: $16.44
UTG: $6.07
UTG+1: $3.85
MP: $3.05
MP+1: $5.46

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 4
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4
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fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.17, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.50, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.33

Flop: ($1.07, 2 players) 6
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A
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5
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UTG+1 bets $0.05, Hero raises to $1.22, UTG+1 calls $1.17

Turn: ($3.51, 2 players) A
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UTG+1 bets $0.05, Hero calls $0.05

River: ($3.61, 2 players) A
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UTG+1 bets $0.05,
Hero.....???

I'm either 1) up against air, but the idiot donkey read somewhere that you should keep betting if you have a hand, and sometimes even when you don't, so he puts in these tiny bets (are these called post-oak bluffs, btw?) ... as if they would make me fold. Or 2) he has an A and is being retarded about it. No, of course an baby underpair wasn't great, but I didn't put him on AX w/ his actions on the flop & turn, let alone when the other 2 Aces hit on the turn AND river. There's no way this guy has that 4th ace and bet like that. So he min-raises $.05 on ALL streets!
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Anyway, how do you handle something like this??? If he had checked I could have been more likely to check the flop and drop the turn w/ any betting from him (real betting I mean.) But that stupid tiny bet ... what the f--k is he trying to do? Be fancy? Be a donk? Mess w/ me? Take another swig of his whiskey and continue to play oh-who-gives-a-**** poker?

[Spoiler alert: he does NOT have an ace.]
 
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I can't remember who said it or where I read it, but it's a rule that I tend to follow with min-bets:

If your intentions were to check then just call and if your intentions were to bet, then raise. In other words, ignore them. Of course there are exceptions that should be somewhat obvious. E.g., you get to the river w/ 24o somehow and beat nothing.

As for the hand...call the river, it sounds like you realize your other mistakes already.
 
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Yea since its such a small bet you should just treat it as a check. Sure, it's annoying that you have to pay, but think of it this way- if you spike your 4, the pot will be bigger, and you can bet a bigger percentage.
 
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I dont mind hte raise at all on the flop if it was a little smaller (I might make it 65 or 75 cents). This is a good spot to bluff becasue you can have Ak so much here that pairs< ace will fold (most of the time) and you are really not going to be floated with random broadways (most of the time again ). Your probably not good here very often but because of the size of the bet I would probably jsut call. Hes probably not going to fold to a turn shove after calling hte flop so I would not shove the turn and jsut call because you have odds for hte time he is going crazy with random air.
 
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If your intentions were to check then just call and if your intentions were to bet, then raise. In other words, ignore them. Of course there are exceptions that should be somewhat obvious. E.g., you get to the river w/ 24o somehow and beat nothing.
I was kind of trying to ignore it by raising on the flop (which btw, I did on the river as well). I wasn't convinced he had an ace, so I was just trying to scare him off and end it there. I think other times I've been ignoring min bets by doing this: If I was going to bet a certain amount on the flop but they minbet first, I just raise to the amount I was going to bet plus five cents. Sort of similar to preflop raise 4 (of whatever) x bb + 1 per limper.

I dont mind hte raise at all on the flop if it was a little smaller (I might make it 65 or 75 cents). This is a good spot to bluff becasue you can have Ak so much here that pairs< ace will fold (most of the time) and you are really not going to be floated with random broadways (most of the time again ).
Do you think my overbet represented that I didn't have a great hand and was trying to make him fold an ace? The board wasn't drawy, so I wasn't too worried about him improving.

Hes probably not going to fold to a turn shove after calling hte flop so I would not shove the turn and jsut call because you have odds for hte time he is going crazy with random air.
I was tempted to shove, or at least fire another big raise on the turn, but since he was in EP, I figured he might have the ace, and it took seeing that third one on the river that convinced me he didn't have one.
 
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Gah hate this hand completely against a loose passive fish. See a cheap flop with a hand that has very marginal show down value even if you don't hit a set (which obviously is what you're hoping).

I'd just flat call all the way, too many aces in his range and you get to see a cheap showdown against something like KQ/KJ which he may show up with.
 
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Well it turns out your hunches were right about him having a good hand but not knowing how to extract value from me. I think I'm fairly convinced that for the most part min bets / min raises from micro fish mean: "I have a hand but I have no balls, so I'll put these stupid raises against you in case you have one of those other scary aces -- because I'm a donk."

Needless to say, I had to call, but oh man I was tempted to shove! Thank goodness I didn't. Here's how it ended.

UTG+1 shows K K (Full House, Aces full of Kings)
Hero mucks 4 4 (Full House, Aces full of Fours)
UTG+1 wins $3.47

Thanks for the feedback. :)
 
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