$5 NLHE Full Ring: How did I not spot this play ?

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enesem

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I am kicking myself for such a badly played hand. Even re-running it now I am at a loss to understand what I was thinking.

It's a play I have seen a few times in training videos yet I fell for it hook, line and sinker like a .... well, you know....

So, the question is, rather than analyse it from my perspective, how about from the villain - how did he just know I would spew ?

This is obviously a pretty glaring mistake, how do I avoid this in future ?

Thanks.

PokerStars - €0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 80 BB
UTG: 150.8 BB (VPIP: 15.46, PFR: 6.19, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, hands: 101)
UTG+1: 68.6 BB (VPIP: 17.21, PFR: 7.23, 3Bet Preflop: 1.52, Hands: 405)
MP: 90 BB (VPIP: 17.02, PFR: 17.02, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 49)
MP+1: 34.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 107.6 BB (VPIP: 53.85, PFR: 10.58, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 104)
BTN: 38.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 97.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:club: J:diamond:

fold, fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, CO calls 2 BB, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, MP calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) 9:spade: T:club: J:spade:
SB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, MP raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, MP raises to 87 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 65 BB and is all-in

Turn: (168 BB, 2 players) 2:heart:

River: (168 BB, 2 players) 7:spade:

Hero shows A:club: J:diamond: (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 59%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
MP shows Q:diamond: K:spade: (Straight, King High) (Pre 41%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)
MP wins 161 BB
 
Arjonius

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As simple as it sounds, you avoid unthinking errors by thinking. This doesn't mean you'll never make mistakes. It does mean you won't be asking yourself what you could have been thinking because you will have been thinking something. It's obviously better to be asking if/why your thinking was sub-optimal than why you weren't thinking at all.
 
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Thank you Arjonius, that's a pretty insightful response.

I believe I saw the J on the board and just saw a pair with my A kicker. When he went all in I remember thinking he was going for a straight draw, I just completely refused to believe he had flopped a straight. I thought the all-in was a bluff, though I had see a training video that demonstrated using this technique to pull someone in for a call. The thinking is that it's such a huge raise it couldn't be true......

So I kind of knew on one hand that he probably had it by the all in call, yet another part of my mind refused to accept that he did in fact have it..

I think that's what I was thinking....

Thanks for getting me to reflect, your reply helped my work out what was going on.

Well, I shall definitely look out for that one next time.
 
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Where are you watching these videos at?

Also, its the micros and there was a possible flush draw out there that villian did not want to risk seeing on the turn. He probably also thought that after you 3bet on the flop you were strong enough/willing to call an all in. I agree with your 3 bet but I am probably folding to the all in.

The thing I struggled with at micros was the fact that to call that all in was only another what $2? If you were playing $25NL that would of been another $13 which makes you think about the call alot more. Food for thought.
 
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Also, think about his range there, he is probably never shoving with air. He either has open ended str8, flush draw which has good equity against your TPTK if you do call. That is your best case scenario, worst case is that he has 2 pair, a made str8, a set or MAYBE AJ just like you did but doubtful.

For sure got to fold TPTK there and if he did in fact bluff you with air he can enjoy a free 25BB for his balls to the wall play.
 
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Just a point I think the fact that you flat the sb, then reraised for a minraise over his raise is why his line of thought was you would call the shove. Just my quick 2 pennies :D
 
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Fold pre-flop. A pretty common mistake made by micro players I think. They look down at a pretty good hand like AJ/AT or KQ and think, "hey, this is a pretty good hand, I have to get in there."

But the fact is that being in a sandwiched position in a pot that is still open isn't generally good. And if it is good, then you're going to find a lot of better spots at the table you're at.

Not sure if you've seen my polished poker thread, but I have a lot of people run filters with these kinds of hands when they cold call. It's pretty amazing how much people tend to lose, especially OOP.

Any ways, on the flop raise. Oh.... here comes the issue of being sandwiched in full force. You have someone who donked, and still someone to act. Not generally good with a hand that doesn't tend to be a big pot hand.

So you flat, then get raised, and decide to re-raise. Your hand looks pretty obvious, even to weak players. But regardless, once he comes back over the top, I think at these stakes you can fold. It's closer only because you guys are only 80bbs effective. However, I think with the action and the stake level, I'd heavily discount draws, and you know it's not top pair. Not saying there won't be maybe some combo draw, but think you're going to look down at two pair+ way more than anything else.
 
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