$5 NLHE Full Ring: Hit flush on the river with 34s

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This is actually the 2nd time this happened to me in an hour, with exactly 3h 4h... Anyway, should I've folded the river?

888 Poker - $0.06 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BB: $3.48
UTG: $4.45
MP: $1.05
CO: $6.00
BTN: $1.85
Hero (SB): $7.52

Hero posts SB $0.03, BB posts BB $0.06

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.09) Hero has 3h 4h

fold, MP calls $0.06, fold, BTN calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: ($0.24, 4 players) 4c 5d 8h
Hero bets $0.12, BB calls $0.12, fold, BTN calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.60, 3 players) 9h
Hero bets $0.18, BB calls $0.18, fold

River: ($0.96, 2 players) Ah
Hero bets $0.48, BB raises to $2.40, Hero raises to $7.16, BB calls $0.72

BB shows Qh Kh (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 66%, Flop 27%, Turn 30%)
Hero shows 3h 4h (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 34%, Flop 73%, Turn 70%)
BB wins $6.78
 
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Dont show results. Bet bigger on the turn, and river call depends on villains tendancies. Usually call though.
 
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Should have just mucked preflop and forgotten about this hand. In this case you caught a seemingly pretty, but overall worthless piece of the flop that goaded you into continuing down a dirty path. If you insisted on continuing (as you did) make your bets larger overall. I like half-pot minimum, closer to 3/4 pot. The button limp is just dead money, he's fishing with overs and you'll pick up a fold from him when he missed the turn (which he did), but you are still betting too small to either get an idea of the strength of the BB, or push off any draws/mid pairs/overs that he may be holding. Your hand has no real value. I could even see a check/call line here. Which is still worse than folding pre.

As played, I agree with yourgodmate. To a point. Make it more like .40 on the turn and just check/fold or bet/fold to the 3-bet on that river.
 
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Well, firstly i think you should fold pre, as you are OOP with a pretty weak hand, although this is a hand that has decent implied odds, OOP it doesnt play well.

Donking the flop achieves nothing either, check calling or check raising is a lot better rather than donking as people are going to raise donk bets a lot and when they call and the turn comes on offsuit picture card we hate the spot we are in.

As played bet the turn bigger as 1/3 pot just looks like a weak hand/draw and will get raised a lot. On the river i think calling the raise is better than 3b'ing as he will never really call with worse and probably never raise the river without super strong holdings anyway but we cant fold a flush to a raise OTR
 
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This is a fold pre imo, BB is still to act and MP/BTN both have <40bb behind. If everyone had >100bb then its maybe worth completing, or even if we had something like 67h maybe, because then we'll hit a few more top pair type hands that have value.

Why are you betting the flop and turn btw? and why so small?

33,A8s,A4s-A2s,86s+,75s+,65s,32s,A8o,A4o-A2o,86o+,75o+,65o,32o

Thats a conceivable limping pre and continuing range on this flop, and your a 37% dog, given that theres 3 players to act when you lead out your not getting value from much that calls, and your not making anything that beats you fold, so why bet?
 
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I think pre is pretty marginal, I mean its only completing the bb. I didnt mention that I wouldnt have lead the flop, probably just c/f the flop.
 
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If your going to be completing pre from the SB with crap hands like 34s you need to know your not going to put more money in badly postflop, which OP did, so its not marginal, for the OP.

If he folds he loses .5bb, he lost like 58bb here and on avg he's rarely winning more than that, playing from the SB like this is a big leak and not marginal imo/
 
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If your going to be completing pre from the SB with crap hands like 34s you need to know your not going to put more money in badly postflop, which OP did, so its not marginal, for the OP.

If he folds he loses .5bb, he lost like 58bb here and on avg he's rarely winning more than that, playing from the SB like this is a big leak and not marginal imo/

Calling with 34s is not the problem here and is definitely not a big leak. At these limits completing with sc's should be profitable. The problem and big leak is OP's postflop play.
 
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if you dont know what to do in this hand then you arent good enough to play 43s OOP so fold pre. i didnt read the results, but next time dont post them.

as played, dont lead flop. its like the worst thing you could have done. ch/c or c/r- although check/hope-to-see-a-free-turn/fold is by far the best option.

bet BIG OTT. you have a pair of 4's, you arent winning this hand at showdown. you need to add fold equity to your hand to make playing this even close to +EV. again, your bet is counter productive, and this is such a common mistake at low limits it makes me sick. what are you trying to do with that bet? you dont want to put much in cos you know your hand sucks? you wanna see a river so youre putting out a blocker bet? bet big or dont bet at all.

river is hard, but its definitely not a 3b shove. villain very easily been floating random ace highs cos you lead and then bet so small, or might even have an A4/A5/A8 that plays like this.

if this guy raises rivers then call it off, if youve never seen him raise a river before dump it. his raise is never a bluff here, so its just a matter of whether you think your baby flush beats his raising value range. probably not but like i said without stats its impossible to say
 
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Calling with 34s is not the problem here. At these limits completing with sc's should be profitable. The problem is OP's postflop play.

Wouldn't be a problem with post flop play if there was no complete. Bottom level sc's are pretty much unprofitable oop on all but miracle boards. Not deep enough to bother with 'em here.
 
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comments: JC's right, completing 43s in the sb here is a leak..

even if it isn't the focus of the hand, its clearly something that needs to be adressed.
 
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wow didnt even notice that were playing a 20 and <40bb stacks. fold pre x1,000,000
 
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