$5 NLHE Full Ring: Hit 2 pair on turn and get pushed all in, what to do against this fish?

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$5 NLHE Full Ring: Hit 2 pair on turn and get pushed all in, what to do against this fish?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 91/12/1.19

As you can tell, with a VPIP this player was playing just about everything. Action was folded around to me on the button and I raised and got called by this player in the BB. Hit top pair which improved to 2 pair on the river when I got shoved all into. Villian could easily have a 4 here given there unbelievable wide range giving them trips, would you have folded or called if you were in my shoes?

Full Tilt - $0.02/$0.05 (8 players)
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SB: $1.88 (sitting out) - Sitting Out
BB: $11.66
UTG: $16.63
UTG+1: $35.97
MP: $5
MP+1: $3.38
CO Hero: $5.80
BTN: $5.26

Pre-flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO and dealt :as4: :7d4:
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) :4h4: :7h4: :4d4: (3 players)
BB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.82) :4h4: :7h4: :4d4: :ad4: (3 players)
BB bets $11.26 (All-in), Hero ???
 
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Personally it looks like he just hit the ace and is spazzing out. I think against a maniac like this i would call. I think the Ace definitely hit him so we could put his range on any ace and we are only behind A4.
 
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fold pre and fold flop. He's pretty passive you can probably just give him credit for a 4. And wtf at your flop bet?
 
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I fold pre as well.

However, I never fold the flop, and I never, ever fold the turn. Villain floats you with so many ace highs on this board, and we beat all of them.
 
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Why are you guys folding this pre? A7 plays very well heads up, especially against a guy who will call with any 2 cards.
 
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Oh i read it wrong i thought hero bet 5 and villain raised. I'm with c9 and just get it all in
 
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takethepain said:
Why are you guys folding this pre? A7 plays very well heads up, especially against a guy who will call with any 2 cards.
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HOw many flops do you think you hit with A7o?
 
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c9h13no3 said:
HOw many flops do you think you hit with A7o?
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About 1/3rd.

About the same as he would with any 2 random cards. Except I have the button.

Edit: I should add that he folded to a c-bet about 70% of the time
 
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where did u get 1/3 from?
 
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If he is calling everything pre and folding to c bets all the time then raising pre is fine.
 
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TheDevilsLuck said:
You will pair at least one of your unpaired hole cards on the flop: 2.1 to 1
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2.1 to 1=1/3? did u mean 3.1 to 1?

because "we pair one of our unpaired hole cards on the flop" isn't a good reason to bet
 
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Tyler69 said:
2.1 to 1=1/3? did u mean 3.1 to 1?

because "we pair one of our unpaired hole cards on the flop" isn't a good reason to bet
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I was just telling you the fact of what he was saying?... 2 to 1 = 33%, 3 to 1 = 25%, 4 to 1 = 20%, so on...
 
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Tyler69 said:
because "we pair one of our unpaired hole cards on the flop" isn't a good reason to bet
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that wasn't referring to u. i must suck hard at math. back to class i go

Edit: thanks NB. ill register and watch rite now. Doesn't CC have a membership thing where we get like 3 weeks of free time on there? or has that passed
 
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Tyler69 said:
2.1 to 1=1/3? did u mean 3.1 to 1?

because "we pair one of our unpaired hole cards on the flop" isn't a good reason to bet
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I havn't run the numbers, but I'm pretty sure it would be +ev to to raise on the button with a 7 2 against this kind of player (the sb was very very tight and unlikely to call), let alone a hand like A 7.He checks then folds, or small bets and then folds when raised a ridiculous amount of times (70% c-bet fold as an indicator), so in my eyes it doesn't really matter what cards I had, I was going to win the pot uncontested on the flop enough times to make it worthwhile. Still poker ev is still a murky subject for me so I am happy if someone comes a long and tells me that I'm full of crap!

As for 2.1 to 1...The maths behind this is basically for every time you hit you are going to miss twice, so out of 3 times total you will hit once, miss twice, hence 1/3.
 
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Tyler69 said:
that wasn't referring to u. i must suck hard at math. back to class i go
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Yeah, you wanna be careful giving out maths stats if you're not 100% sure...brush up on your ratios and fractions!! ;)
 
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takethepain said:
I havn't run the numbers, but I'm pretty sure it would be +ev to to raise on the button with a 7 2 against this kind of player (the sb was very very tight and unlikely to call), let alone a hand like A 7.He checks then folds, or small bets and then folds when raised a ridiculous amount of times (70% c-bet fold as an indicator), so in my eyes it doesn't really matter what cards I had, I was going to win the pot uncontested on the flop enough times to make it worthwhile. Still poker ev is still a murky subject for me so I am happy if someone comes a long and tells me that I'm full of crap!

As for 2.1 to 1...The maths behind this is basically for every time you hit you are going to miss twice, so out of 3 times total you will hit once, miss twice, hence 1/3.
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ya u snuck in the f2cb% in there at the last moment. raising pre is standard

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Yeah, you wanna be careful giving out maths stats if you're not 100% sure...brush up on your ratios and fractions!! ;)
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not a necessary comment dude. wat was your point in writing this? i admitted i was wrong
 
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Tyler69 said:
ya u snuck in the f2cb% in there at the last moment. raising pre is standard



not a necessary comment dude. wat was your point in writing this? i admitted i was wrong
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Didn't mean to cause offense....just saying.
 
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Tyler69 said:
ya u snuck in the f2cb% in there at the last moment. raising pre is standard
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Even if he never folds to cbets raising pre is standard imo with someone calling that often in the BB. If he folds to all cbets great, we'll win lots of small pots. If he doesn't fold to cbets great, we'll win lots of larger pots, our Ace high is usually best and we have position.

Depending on how much the other players in the game were adjusting and letting me get away with, I'd probably be raising A7o UTG with this guy in the blinds.
 
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