$5 NLHE Full Ring: Good double barrel spot in 3bet pot?

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 22/16/3

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($5.02)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 ($7.25)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 ($7.29)
MP - MP ($6.04)
MP2 - MP2 ($10.24)
CO - CO ($5.04)
BTN - BTN ($4.93)
SB - SB ($5.61)
BB - Hero ($5.82)

Preflop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is BB with 9c Ac
6 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, BTN calls $0.35

Flop: Kh 5c 4s ($1.02, 2 players - BTN: $4.43, Hero: $5.32)
Hero bets $0.60, BTN calls $0.60

Turn: Jc ($2.22, 2 players - BTN: $3.83, Hero: $4.72)
Hero bets $1.25?

pick up flush draw and trying to fold out medium pairs and maybe QQ. decent spot to db?
 
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I believe this question is very villain dependent. Not sure what other stats you have but if he floats a lot then gives up on the turn I would perhaps fired a second barrel even though I believe it is okay to check this turn for pot control or give up if he bets.
 
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Sorry i should have posted more stats. 660 hands on the guy. His F3B is 77% so I expect to take it down pre a lot. His flop FCB is only 48% but his turn FCB is a decent 50% (3/6 times). He also goes to showdown slightly less often than most (21% WTSD). Double barrelling could be profitable because he is capable of folding the turn quite a bit, and his low FCB flop suggests he does a fair amount of floating/peeling with marginal hands. But supposing i do double barrel and he calls, what to do on the river if i miss? Fire a third shell or just give up?
 
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I don't mind a double barrel here. That said I think A9s is an easy flat BBvBTN and a rather useless 3Bet.
 
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Nicely played...

I will expect him to fold next.
 
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I don't mind a double barrel here. That said I think A9s is an easy flat BBvBTN and a rather useless 3Bet.

I'm not huge fan of the 3bet preflop either, seems like a useless move.

Can anyone enlighten me as to why it's good to 3bet in that spot?
 
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I would of played it the same way
 
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I don't mind a double barrel here. That said I think A9s is an easy flat BBvBTN and a rather useless 3Bet.

I 3bet with hands that are at the top of my folding range and i don't like to flat with. Vs a button open in the blinds i don't have a flatting range so i'm 3betting with all hands i want to play (blackrain79 also recommends this from blinds vs LP open). I know this isn't the optimal strategy but i do not think i'm good enough yet to play OOP with no initiative/lead in the hand.
 
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I 3bet with hands that are at the top of my folding range and i don't like to flat with. Vs a button open in the blinds i don't have a flatting range so i'm 3betting with all hands i want to play (blackrain79 also recommends this from blinds vs LP open). I know this isn't the optimal strategy but i do not think i'm good enough yet to play OOP with no initiative/lead in the hand.

If you don't start, then when will you ever be?

It's fine to 3Bet most of the time sure, but regs will rarely fold AJ+ and happily fold A2-A9. Therefore although you can 3Bet bluff you shouldn't do so with A9. Give me a scenario (other than coolering someone) where you feel you can show a profit OOP in a 3Bet pot where at most you are flipping equity wise. The only positive thing you have for your hand is the aggressive lead. Your opponent will have position and likely hand selection both working for him, giving him a decisive advantage over you any time you 3Bet bluff and get called.

Not to be too forceful on the issue, start out slowly developing a defending range and work from there. Create a thread in the cash forum once you have enough examples of tough spots you find yourself in and people will give you feedback. Hope this helps.
 
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This is very marginal...

The J isn't that good for you to barrel on, it'll need a third on the river to get most things to fold.

Overcards to the flop are best cards to barrel...

Your turn bet is too small as well.
 
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I would either just flat this hand pre flop and play out of position or 3bet and slow down post flop if our 3bet gets called and we miss the flop completely.

I would not like to take such a big risk of double barreling especially when our 3bet gets called and so does our c-bet.

We are just taking too much risk here and it's not like we are even playing 6 handed, this is a full ring game. The way you played it is more appropriate in short handed game where hand ranges are wider but such a play in a full ring game can cause a lot of pain on your bankroll. ;)
 
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I do not like this, if the J was on the flop and the K came on the turn I'd be all for it. I think you are being persuaded by stats when you don't have a large enough sample size. I know it's hard to ever have a big enough sample size in poker, but especially here.
 
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