$5 NLHE Full Ring: Good double barrel spot based on timing tells?

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mottotom27

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 12/4/1.5

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($5.14)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 ($7.05)
MP - MP ($5.00)
MP2 - MP2 ($5.16)
CO - CO ($5.10)
BTN - BTN ($5.46)
SB - Hero ($5.62)
BB - BB ($4.88)

Preflop: ($0.07, 8 players) Hero is SB with 9c 6c
6 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10

Flop: 4d Qc 8h ($0.30, 2 players - Hero: $5.47, BB: $4.73)
Hero bets $0.17, BB calls $0.17

Turn: Qs ($0.64, 2 players - Hero: $5.30, BB: $4.56)
Hero bets $0.36, BB calls $0.36

River: 6h ($1.36, 2 players - Hero: $4.94, BB: $4.20)
Hero checks, BB checks

Total Pot: $1.36
Hero shows 9c 6c (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
BB mucks Ah Jd

69s is actually my favourite hand but that's not why i played it, i played it cos it had folded around to me and i was raising into a complete nit. When i got called, i felt his range would be pretty strong. maybe AJ+, QK+, pocket pairs and some suited broadways. I c-bet flop since i had some backdoors and i felt i could get some A highs, low pocket pairs and broadways that didn't connect well to fold. if called my plan was to maybe fire a second barrel as a semibluff on the K or A of clubs to put pressure on all pairs below a Q, but otherwise to give up.

I understand the Q was one of the worst cards to barrel on since it makes it harder for me to have one with two queens on the board, but i noticed the villain called really quickly on the flop which made me think he had a marginal hand like A high so i felt i might be able to bluff him off it if i bet again, but unfortunately he called once more and so on the river i thought there was no way my pair would be good - he couldn't have called two streets with A high right?

But no my read was spot on he had exactly what i thought he had. So my questions are:

Should i allow timing tells to have a big impact on my decisions?
In future if i put my (nit) villain on A high by the turn, should i fire again or do i have to assume that villains will call too often with A high on boards like that?
If above is true, should i go for a triple barrel? or should i not even c bet at all?
 
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Yes use timing tells to narrow opponent's ranges down. Be confident in the tell, but don't go overboard. Don't use tells to rationalize bad calls, but if you feel that their timing tell is not acted then assume it isn't and eliminate all the hands you think would play a different way. Don't be afraid of being wrong either as your instincts will improve. Occasionally you may be wrong, but then learn from that experience so your instincts get better.
 
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at 5NL I wouldn't look to much into timing tells, dude is most likely multi tabling paying little to no attention at how long he's taking.
 
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at 5NL I wouldn't look to much into timing tells, dude is most likely multi tabling paying little to no attention at how long he's taking.

This.
He could be taking his time at another table thinking of a decision and than he got to you. Leave the timing tells for when you get to 100NL and play basic poker for now. You are looking for and excuse for a bad play on the turn and the river here IMO.

Now to get to the hand.
Next time do not show the result. The cards he showed are just a tiny part of his range and not the strong part
Stealing pre is OK. C-betting flop is ok. Double barreling is bad IMO. That is a passive nit. While stealing a lot and c-betting flop is gold against him, continuing after he called your c-bet is not a good idea. He is the type FIT or fold and when he called the flop it looks strong like hell and you only have air.
 
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I would simply fold this hand pre flop most of the time as as we would be out of position against the bb with a weak hand.

But if the big blind does not play many hands then we don't mind attempting a steal pre flop of his blind so the our hand does not matter because we are simply attempting a steal. But once we get called on attempt to steal i would not even bother betting or continuing with the hand anymore unless we get a piece of the board. In this case i would simply look to reach a showdown so double barrelling is out of the question. :rolleyes:
 
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