$5 NLHE Full Ring: Good + Bad River

$5 NL HE Full Ring: Good + Bad River

full tilt poker Game #13887128630: Table Bredpoint - $0.02/$0.05 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:42:02 ET - 2009/08/07
Seat 1: Gills11 ($7.11)
Seat 2: FreezerJumpss ($7.08)
Seat 3: Dragynlord ($1.43)
Seat 4: iBluff103 ($2.20)
Seat 5: javiermh425 ($4.98)
Seat 6: bigM7 ($4.24)
Seat 7: Jersey Jan ($2.57)
Seat 8: vlad0512FTP ($2.23)
Seat 9: Sm00th Cr1m1na7 ($8.76)
Gills11 posts the small blind of $0.02
FreezerJumpss posts the big blind of $0.05
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FreezerJumpss [Td Jd]
Dragynlord folds
iBluff103 folds
javiermh425 folds
bigM7 folds
Jersey Jan folds
vlad0512FTP folds
Sm00th Cr1m1na7 folds
Gills11 raises to $0.20
FreezerJumpss has 15 seconds left to act
FreezerJumpss calls $0.15
*** FLOP *** [9h Qd 6d]
Gills11 bets $0.40
FreezerJumpss raises to $1.35
Gills11 calls $0.95
*** TURN *** [9h Qd 6d] [Jh]
Gills11 has 15 seconds left to act
Gills11 bets $1
FreezerJumpss calls $1
*** RIVER *** [9h Qd 6d Jh] [Js]
Gills11 has 15 seconds left to act
Gills11 bets $2
FreezerJumpss calls ???


I called from BB because A) This looked like a steal and B) I had position and could play a lot of different flops. I think the rest speaks for itself. On the river he bets $2 into $5.10. I've hit a set, but I'm still beat by a few possible hands here, especially since the bet seems small. WWJD?

Raise the turn. It's unlikely he's got the nut flush (shoving flop would've made more sense), he's probably got a good pair, two pair, a straight draw, or a set, all of which we're ahead of.

As played, I'm calling the river and crying a little when he shows up w a fh.

Forgot to mention - please use a hand history converter to make it easier to follow

If u think he is stealing why not 3bet prf?
If your right about him stealing you dont have much implied odds(witch u need to play suited conectors) and your hand doesn play very well against his stealing range since it gonna have alot of Ax,Kx,Qx ect hands in.

Flop is fine imo
On the turn i just get it in, his bet looks weak, we got good equity against his entier range and even picked up some SD value against TT but geting paid on the river if we hit might be hard so im looking to get the money in now.

On the river i just call aswell.

Also u have trips not a set

3-bet Preflop.

Shove the turn. If he calls, you have about say... a brazillion outs! If he folds, you won yourself a nice pot with a semi-bluff.

He did a conbet flop w wide range
If he has collected straight - it should be nuts and he would bet more, here u have good a pot-ods to call

Get money in on turn and save yourself the decision on the river. Open ended straight flushdraw with middle pair and he called our 3bet on the flop tells me its time to get it all in there before the river. You could make an argument for just reraising the turn without going all in but my thoughts are this:

If we are ahead of him on the turn and he is drawing with a higher flush draw, 2 pair why leave yourself a chance to fold the best hand on the river with the majority of the money already in the pot because you 3-bet two streets. Instead get the money in on the turn when you know you are ahead and stop yourself from mucking the best hand on the river.:joyman:

Don't 3-bet preflop.

Okay, I shouldn't be so categorical, but neither should the people who say you should 3-bet preflop. Flatting is fine, and it's fine because you have position. If he had raised from the button, flatting is worse (and probably bad). But with position you can certainly just flat JTs and it's probably my preferred play.

Anyway.

I like your flop raise. I like your turn flat. I don't get why we'd be happy about shoving the turn. What hands are the turn-shove-proponents expecting him to fold that beat us? KQ? Or do we think he'll call a shove with worse? I guess he might call with TT but that's a narrow range to target with a value-shove.

I'm mostly indifferent about what you do on the river so long as you don't fold. I think shoving might be okay because he won't be able to get away from an overpair, and hardly AQ or KQ either. Sometimes he'll show up with QJ (or J9) but assuming he'd play AA and QJ the same way on this board, the river is an easy shove. If he can't have an overpair (because, say, he'd check the river) then calling is good.

F Paulsson said:

I don't get why we'd be happy about shoving the turn. What hands are the turn-shove-proponents expecting him to fold that beat us? KQ? Or do we think he'll call a shove with worse? I guess he might call with TT but that's a narrow range to target with a value-shove.

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I goofed in my post above - I thought we had a flush (that's why I said we're ahead of 2 pair and a set). The turn call is correct, apologies.

I did end up flat calling the river, and he turned over KQ, which surprised me. I was expecting at least AQ, thinking he would have ditched the KQ by the river. I was stuck between raising and calling the river for a while but I'd been taking a few bad beats that day and I guess just took the safer road. I then left the table because I felt like I'd gotten myself in a bad spot and didn't play all too well. Thanks for the comments all.

Yea, its a good river here. You hit trips and not TOO MANY hands beat you. Some full houses and straights, but the full houses are hard since you have 1 jack.. Just call and see. You're getting good odds and your hand is probably good.

As played for sure jam river. These are micro stakes no one folds anything which means our value range has to be extended

If opponent can fold I'd just jam turn since we'll fold out AQ KQ a lot and we have bazillions of outs if called, but since this is micro stakes the turn flat is fine

Agree with everything F Paulsson said... plus I don't think his line is consistent with hands that beat you, and it's tough to put you on a jack. I shove.