$5 NLHE Full Ring: Fold KQ top pair to 1/3 pot river bet?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 27/1/1.3

No Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05
pokerstars
8 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($3.77)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 ($5.07)
MP - MP ($5.00)
MP2 - MP2 ($5.07)
CO - Hero ($5.00)
BTN - BTN ($3.96)
SB - SB ($7.95)
BB - BB ($4.83)

Preflop: ($0.07, 8 players) Hero is CO with Kh Qd
UTG calls $0.05, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.15

Flop: Kc 7c 6c ($0.67, 3 players - Hero: $4.80, BTN: $3.76, UTG: $3.57)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.38, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.38

Turn: 2s ($1.43, 2 players - Hero: $4.42, UTG: $3.19)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.45, UTG calls $0.45

River: 4d ($2.33, 2 players - Hero: $3.97, UTG: $2.74)
UTG bets $0.80, Hero ??


Villain seems to be a semi loose passive player, who almost always limps in even with strong hands (PFR only 1 percent!).

On the turn I wasn't sure if my hand was good or not for sure, so in case I was beat (since the pot was multiway and a flush was possible) I decided not to bet too much about 1/3 pot to keep the pot not too big whilst still making draws and worse hands pay to see the river. (should i just have checked for pot control??)

On the river the bet was only 1/3 pot so I was getting really good odds to call, but am I good enough of the time here to justify those odds?

Bet more OTF and OTT. We are obv folding to a raise.

The river I call because he's a fish and could do this with a busted FD. If he bets more then it's a fold.

whats with fishy bet sizing. moar OTF, moar OTT. dont bet hand strength. cos now you get lead into OTR and you dont know if its bc you look super weak or because villain has a hand.

regardless, for a 1/3PSB call and take a note. busted FD 90% of the time IMO

ohwot.

what YGM said lol

Thanks for the feedback. I tend to get quite paranoid in a 3 way pot especially when there's a flush possible and often don't bet as much as i should. Next time should I try 3/4 pot flop and 2/3 turn? I did call the river but he had AK for TPTK so i guess i saved money this time by keeping the pot small i suppose the result doesn't matter in the long run however, cos i'll make money from all the draws

I generally keep my bet sizes the same from street to street. Between 60% and 80% is my standard but I do drift out of that if need be.

youregoodmate said:

I generally keep my bet sizes the same from street to street. Between 60% and 80% is my standard but I do drift out of that if need be.

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That's similar to my betting tendencies with my value range (this hand was an exception). Do you bet less with your bluffs? I generally bet about 50-60% with my bluff c-bets because i want them to fold as cheaply as possible. Would typically a slightly larger 2/3 PB increase fold equity enough to compensate for larger amount risked? What's the optimal amount?

You want to bet more on the flop, not because you should bet X or Y size on auto pilot, but because your opponent limp called, and this is a board where they will have A LOT of second best hands they will continue with. So you want to maximize the value of your hand. I'd bet 85%+ honestly in a spot like this against a fish.

And yes, the river is a call, but you should have bet more on the turn also.

Thanks John. I think I saw my hand as a marginal top pair hand in a multiway pot but I guess against a fish who limp called it's pretty much the nuts! I'll remember that bet sizing in the future. Obviously I was unlucky to actually be dominated by the very top of the fish's range (AK which he played REALLY passively!).

I think you shall fold the river. As this is NL5, there are lots of weird play here.

tomnovember said:

I think you shall fold the river. As this is NL5, there are lots of weird play here.

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It's a close one, but I agree with the other comments that I was probably getting too good a price to really fold (4:1 on a call). I'm probably going to be good here more than 20 percent of the time here, especially when he could have been doing this with a busted draw. If he'd made a bigger bet I would have folded though, and yea it was a weird play!

tomnovember said:

I think you shall fold the river. As this is NL5, there are lots of weird play here.

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ignore this result oriented stupidity

JCgrind said:

ignore this result oriented stupidity

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I think in future I won't show the results so that there's no bias in people's advice.