$5 NLHE Full Ring: Flopped set vs. 3 straight cards on flop

$5 NL HE Full Ring: Flopped set vs. 3 straight cards on flop

I'm just not really sure about how to play hands like these. I want to make money out of my set but at the same time I know that slow-playing these types of flops is bad. Any advice would be great. I'm new to playing cash games seriously and I don't have Holdem Manager or Poker Tracker so I have no stats. Thanks



full tilt poker Game #15142733685: Table Bombay - $0.02/$0.05 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:41:52 ET - 2009/10/05
Seat 1: joao spider ($4.63), is sitting out
Seat 2: frankysyn ($5.70)
Seat 3: turbo Bee ($3.96)
Seat 4: Paleiko ($5.14)
Seat 5: diegopn ($1)
Seat 6: PNJs_dad ($4.95)
Seat 7: anutash ($1.13)
Seat 8: DevilfishFan ($5.03)
Seat 9: pucheAA ($1.23)
Paleiko posts the small blind of $0.02
diegopn posts the big blind of $0.05
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PNJs_dad [9c 9h]
PNJs_dad raises to $0.15
anutash folds
DevilfishFan folds
pucheAA calls $0.15
frankysyn folds
turbo Bee folds
Paleiko folds
diegopn folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 9s 8d]
PNJs_dad bets $0.10
pucheAA raises to $0.20
PNJs_dad has 15 seconds left to act
PNJs_dad calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [Qc 9s 8d] [7h]

first point, don't show the results. Second, you have to bet more than .10 after the flop, then when he reraises, you have to shove or bet like $1. You can't risk him hitting a straight and you still when decent money if he folds.

I removed the results of the hand. Sorry about that.

3 to a straight on this flop doesn't concern me much. Especially since many of those card combinations equate to reasonable two pairs for villain. If villain continues to show serious aggression, I'm checking and looking at pot/implied odds to see if I have odds to make the call. If not, I curse loudly and probably fold absent a read. Otherwise I call, and if I fill up I'm jamming the river.

You are never ever folding this hand. Check/raising the flop and jamming the turn is standard. You can't bet/call here because you're out of position. Bet/calling the flop means you're checking the turn OOP meaning you effectively give up two cards. Bet/raising is certainly fine as long as you jam the turn. If you lost this hand, you got unlucky. Don't be results oriented.

Sysvr4 said:

3 to a straight on this flop doesn't concern me much. Especially since many of those card combinations equate to reasonable two pairs for villain. If villain continues to show serious aggression, I'm checking and looking at pot/implied odds to see if I have odds to make the call. If not, I curse loudly and probably fold absent a read. Otherwise I call, and if I fill up I'm jamming the river.

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Folding here is criminal under any circumstances. Middle set on this board is a monster.

WurlyQ said:

Folding here is criminal under any circumstances. Middle set on this board is a monster.

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As posted, you're right. I editted my post to say "if a 4th straight card hit" check odds hope to fill up, blah blah blah and then somehow screwed it up. So no, with a 3 card straight in this situation, I aint folding it.

OTOH, I think you overstate the case a bit with "under any circumstances". With sufficiently deep stacks and a way past the odds (including implied) bet from a tight player will take me off a set.

you should make a big raise, you are out of position and you need defend your set, check-raising is the right move here! if villan are in a straight draw or maybe he got two pair, this is the perfecto situation to check-raise and waiting for the villan´s move!

Sysvr4 said:

As posted, you're right. I editted my post to say "if a 4th straight card hit" check odds hope to fill up, blah blah blah and then somehow screwed it up. So no, with a 3 card straight in this situation, I aint folding it.

OTOH, I think you overstate the case a bit with "under any circumstances". With sufficiently deep stacks and a way past the odds (including implied) bet from a tight player will take me off a set.

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Sufficiently deep stacks? Villain has less than 25bbs. If a fourth straight card hits on the river, how are we going to fill up? I could conceivably see a river fold if the action goes check/check on the turn, the river is a T and if villain shoves against a small river bet or just overshoves when we check to him.

WurlyQ said:

Sufficiently deep stacks? Villain has less than 25bbs.

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You're missing the point. I'm not talking about this instance. You said "under no circumstances" and I'm giving you one where a fold would be in order. I've already agreed this hand doesn't warrant a fold.

WurlyQ said:

Folding here is criminal under any circumstances. Middle set on this board is a monster.

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Sysvr4 said:

OTOH, I think you overstate the case a bit with "under any circumstances". With sufficiently deep stacks and a way past the odds (including implied) bet from a tight player will take me off a set.

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Sysvr4 said:

You're missing the point. I'm not talking about this instance. You said "under no circumstances" and I'm giving you one where a fold would be in order. I've already agreed this hand doesn't warrant a fold.

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Note what your original post was referring to. I clearly state "here" referring to this hand and so the "under any circumstances" clearly implies that I am referring to our opponent and any past history because it is not given in the hand. If you think "under any circumstances" includes changing stack sizes, why not just start changing blind sizes or even the board texture...

WurlyQ said:

You are never ever folding this hand.

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You also said this, so you either a) weren't clear to begin with or b) are simply being argumentative now. Either way, I don't honestly care.