$5 NLHE Full Ring: Double Flopped Flush

I put him on any pocket pair, AK or AQ, possibly with some suited card hands, but never did I dream he would have AcQc.

I don't know the odds of this, but it can't happen often enough to worry about with the odds of only 1 player flopping a flush at ~ 118:1, can it?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 68.6 BB (VPIP: 14.74, PFR: 10.48, 3Bet Preflop: 4.87, Hands: 1,146)
SB: 80.4 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BB: 129.4 BB (VPIP: 16.13, PFR: 9.68, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
UTG: 44.2 BB (VPIP: 16.03, PFR: 12.82, 3Bet Preflop: 6.56, Hands: 157)
UTG+1: 77 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (MP): 109.2 BB
MP+1: 93.4 BB (VPIP: 13.28, PFR: 8.59, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 130)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 5.00, PFR: 3.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7:club: 9:club:

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.4 BB, fold, CO calls 3.4 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2.4 BB

Flop: (10.6 BB, 3 players) J:club: K:club: 5:club:
BB checks, Hero bets 10.2 BB, CO calls 10.2 BB, fold

Turn: (31 BB, 2 players) 9:heart:
Hero bets 29.8 BB, CO calls 29.8 BB

River: (90.6 BB, 2 players) 7:heart:
Hero bets 65.8 BB and is all-in, CO calls 56.6 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 7:club: 9:club: (Flush, King High) (Pre 35%, Flop 0.1%, Turn 0%)
CO shows A:club: Q:club: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 65%, Flop 99.9%, Turn 100%)
CO wins 195.4 BB

Im not horrified at all.

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Thanks for your post hff, but maybe I didn't make myself clear. I wasn't whining about a bad beat (which is wasn't).

I was sincerely asking about odds and maybe some input if I played it wrong.

Fold this junk preflop. Well played after though.

apart from folding this pre the only other thing that would raise a red flag is that a 5:3 villain (granted it's only a 62 sample size but still) is calling you down but even then i don't think we can ever fold this.

c9h13no3 said:

Fold this junk preflop. Well played after though.

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Thanks for the comment on the post- play, appreciate it. As for the junk, normally I would have from that position, but per THIS thread, I'm on a mission to increase VPIP and PFR + 3-betting and still learning & experimenting

thatgreekdude said:

apart from folding this pre the only other thing that would raise a red flag is that a 5:3 villain (granted it's only a 62 sample size but still) is calling you down but even then i don't think we can ever fold this.

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I figured he had flopped a set of Js or Ks

SeaRun said:

I figured he had flopped a set of Js or Ks

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yup he probably takes a similar line but maybe turns up the aggression as opposed to just calling.

Think an AJ-AK with a club might also play it similar, you just got unlucky there.

thatgreekdude said:

Think an AJ-AK with a club might also play it similar, you just got unlucky there.

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Par for the course for today, flopped set killed by a bigger flopped set and some moron chasing a gut-shot hit runner-runner Qs for a bigger FH.

I think your bet sizing was too large, he wouldn't be calling to chase a big draw; most the time if he's calling your big bets down two streets he has the goods. I would bet a bit less and regrettably fold to a raise here. Additionally, 97s is a bad hand to open with from MP, I believe it is playable however in either the CO or BTN.

I always worry about someone flatting me. Then you have 2 callers and you are in middle position. I would have checked the flop and seen who came along. It is expected that a large group of microstakes players will flat with AQs just to do this. And as he just flatted the flop and turn, I would checked the river.

And I agree that both your bets and hand selection need a bit of work.

Upping your VPIP is a great idea. Just do it with postion. OOP, this hand is a fold. UNLESS you have some killer reads on the players left to act.

SeaRun said:

I'm on a mission to increase VPIP and PFR + 3-betting and still learning & experimenting

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If you want to know what happens when you play junk out of position, I can tell you the results of that experiment... This is the worst way to increase your VPIP and PFR, if you're trying to become less nitty.

Course, you're unlikely to be too nitty. Almost all the best players have fairly tight preflop stats.

c9h13no3 said:

If you want to know what happens when you play junk out of position, I can tell you the results of that experiment... This is the worst way to increase your VPIP and PFR, if you're trying to become less nitty.

Course, you're unlikely to be too nitty. Almost all the best players have fairly tight preflop stats.

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What would your definition of "the fairly tight pre-flop stats" of the best players be? What range would you recommend for VPIP/PFR/3-Bet as examples.

SeaRun said:

What would your definition of "the fairly tight pre-flop stats" of the best players be? What range would you recommend for VPIP/PFR/3-Bet as examples.

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Most TAGs I know are around 19/18/6 to 25/23/7 or so at 6-max cash 100 bb's deep.

However, keep in mind that this number means nothing alone. A common joke is that a statistician drowned in a lake that was only 3 feet deep on average. And while most TAGs average those stats, they key is not that average number, but how you get there and when to deviate from "normal".

1) Play more hands against players who are worse than you. I could probably play 100% VPIP at 1c/2c NLHE and make a small profit. At higher stakes, there's no prayer of that.

2) Play more hands in position. Obvious.

3) Play more hands when you have the opportunity to steal the blinds. Also obvious.

4) Play more big cards against players who don't fold much to c-bets.

5) Play more implied odds hands against players who fold well.

In this hand you're in early position, you're not stealing blinds, you're not really able to control who you're in the pot with, the 2nd biggest table fish has already folded. I'm just not seeing a reason to get involved with a marginal hand here.