$5 NLHE Full Ring: Dealing with 4bet from CO

Shady Vision

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This was during my rush session tonight, at the time of the hand I had thought he was UTG 4betting after limping in, however now that I'm posting the hand I see that it was in fact the SB bringing the action thus making my play pretty bad and I got lucky that he was overplaying a middle pair.

My original question was going to be how would you deal with a limper that turns into a 4better as its something that I haven't come across much if at all that I can recall.

Anyway, here is the hand.


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

MP1 ($26.22)
MP2 ($9.21)
MP3 ($5)
Hero (CO) ($11.38)
Button ($6.76)
SB ($8.05)
BB ($9.20)
UTG ($9.03)
UTG+1 ($8.91)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q:heart:, K:club:
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.35, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.80, 1 fold, SB raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.20

Flop: ($4.45) Q:spade:, 4:heart:, 7:spade: (2 players)
SB bets $2.25, Hero raises to $9.38 (All-In), SB calls $3.80 (All-In)

Turn: ($16.55) 7:heart: (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($16.55) A:spade: (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $16.55 | Rake: $1.10

Results:
SB had 8:spade:, 8:heart: (two pair, eights and sevens).
Hero had Q:heart:, K:club: (two pair, Queens and sevens).
Outcome: Hero won $15.45
 
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rssurfer54

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why did you 3bet? seems like its overplaying kqo to me.
 
Shady Vision

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Two reasons I 3bet there. First, i had position. Second, its rush so i widen my range a bit and play more aggressively.
 
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You played the hand very poorly.
 
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To answer your question about the limping 4-betters, some loose players do that, or someone that wants to mix up their play. Handling the situation depends on what you know about that particular player, and what cards you're holding. Typically you will fold to a 4-bet unless you have something very strong, then you shove it all in preflop.

The KQo hand you have here should have been dumped to a 4-bet. It's a dominated hand. Lucky for you the villian appears insane or tilted and trying to make a few dollars back.
 
cjatud2012

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I don't think 3-betting is appropriate here. Is it for value? Not really, because they're not really gonna call with much worse. I guess it would depend on how bad the villain is, but generally speaking all we're doing is hurting our own equity. Then is it as a bluff? Probably not, maybe he folds AT/AJ, maybe some smaller pairs, but we don't really wanna fold those, especially the pairs, because they won't be able to continue betting on most boards unless they hit a set, you can just float the flop then take it away on the turn.

So 3-betting is actually pretty bad. The sizing is also kind of poor imo.

To answer your question, if a guy limp/reraises, I'd say you can safely assume KK+ unless you have an outstanding read.
 
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I'm not a FR person but I am pretty sure KQo is a quick muck vs. UTG +1. Unless you flop JTA you're not really winning a big pot against his range and have some seriously poor implied odds flops.
 
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