$5 NLHE Full Ring: Dangerous board, but still...

BoddJonar

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pokerstars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Button ($1.88)
SB ($8.86)
BB ($5.86)
UTG ($5.35)
MP ($7.34)
Hero (CO) ($4.93)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9
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, 9
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1 fold, MP raises to $0.13, Hero raises to $0.25, 3 folds, MP calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.57) 9
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, J
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, 10
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(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.44, MP raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.76

Turn: ($2.97) 2
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(2 players)
MP bets $1.37, Hero raises to $3, MP raises to $5.89 (All-In), Hero calls $0.48 (All-In)

River: ($9.93) 4
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(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $9.93 | Rake: $0.41

Results below:
MP had K
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, Q
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(straight, King high).
Hero had 9
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, 9
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(three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: MP won $9.52


So, I think I should have seen this one coming, or atleast know I was beaten by a better hand, but I was like "He might be holding Aces, Kings or even be on a flush draw. This is micros!"
Advice on how to play the sets in theese situations please? I played back at him on the turn because I said to myself "Look, if the turn is a rag that doesn't connect we just get it in there"

Cheers
 
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Button ($5.20)
SB ($23.81)
Hero (BB) ($8.37)
UTG ($8.88)
MP ($1.82)
CO ($5.67)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K
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, A
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UTG raises to $0.10, 3 folds, SB calls $0.08, Hero raises to $0.40, UTG calls $0.30, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.90) J
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, K
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, 3
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.68, UTG calls $0.68

Turn: ($2.26) A
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(2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, UTG calls $1.90

River: ($6.06) 8
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(2 players)
Hero bets $5.39 (All-In), UTG calls $5.39

Total pot: $16.84 | Rake: $0.70

Results below:
Hero had K
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, A
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(two pair, Aces and Kings).
UTG had 10
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, Q
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(straight, Ace high).
Outcome: UTG won $16.14

And what about this? I guess I could have been more careful, but I remember thinking "There's just NO way he's holding QT from Utg, but wrong I was..... I HATE THE FECKING MICROS!!!
I just dont see how it's a good thing. First you get to build your stack against the fish, then a fish/donk who's got you covered get's lucky and get's the whole stack from you...
 
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Button ($1.88)
SB ($8.86)
BB ($5.86)
UTG ($5.35)
MP ($7.34)
Hero (CO) ($4.93)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9
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, 9
diamond.gif

1 fold, MP raises to $0.13, Hero raises to $0.25, 3 folds, MP calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.57) 9
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, J
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, 10
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(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.44, MP raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.76

Turn: ($2.97) 2
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(2 players)
MP bets $1.37, Hero raises to $3, MP raises to $5.89 (All-In), Hero calls $0.48 (All-In)

River: ($9.93) 4
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(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $9.93 | Rake: $0.41

Results below:
MP had K
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, Q
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(straight, King high).
Hero had 9
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, 9
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(three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: MP won $9.52


So, I think I should have seen this one coming, or atleast know I was beaten by a better hand, but I was like "He might be holding Aces, Kings or even be on a flush draw. This is micros!"
Advice on how to play the sets in theese situations please? I played back at him on the turn because I said to myself "Look, if the turn is a rag that doesn't connect we just get it in there"

Cheers

I think the first thing to do here is try to figure out what kind of range is taking his line to the flop raise.

TT+, AK, AQ, KQ, AJ, KJ, QJ look to all be in his range here. I'm not sure how aggressive this player is, but if he is aggro, than JT, 88, 87 could possibilities as well. There's a small chance that he would bluff here with some type of combo draw like A:diamond:8:diamond: as well, which are hands that you have good equity against. Q8 looks much less likely but could be possible if the villain is aggressive.

As played I think your call on the flop is solid, as 4 betting only gets you called by better sets and straights, while most hands that you have good equity against are folding.

Once he leads out on the turn, it seems like he's betting more for value than bluffing here, which narrows his hand down a little since he can't really represent that 2 helped him.

Sets, overpairs, and straights look to be the only hands that he could have here and I'm not sure QQ, KK or AA is betting here. If he has a set here, your pretty much drawing dead here. While you have about 10 outs against a straight.

Since the villain may be bluffing here with an overpair, or even a J or combo draw here some times, I'd err more toward calling the turn here since you can likely get value from those hands, as well as JT, although those hands are not likely here. However, if you were to call the turn, it would be hard to call a river shove if the board doesn't improve your hand.

I think this errs more toward folding the turn here, however I'm ok with a call there. However, I think we fold the river if/when he shoves.

I hope this helps -- Looking forward to seeing what you and others think.
 
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Button ($1.41)
SB ($4.33)
BB ($11.01)
UTG ($8.52)
MP ($3.23)
Hero (CO) ($9.48)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A
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, A
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UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.67) 3
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, 5
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, 3
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(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.64, UTG calls $0.64

Turn: ($1.95) 4
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(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.87, UTG calls $1.87

River: ($5.69) 8
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(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.45, UTG calls $5.45

Total pot: $16.59 | Rake: $0.69

Results below:
UTG had 2
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, A
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(straight, five high).
Hero had A
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, A
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(two pair, Aces and threes).
Outcome: UTG won $15.90


While we are at it. I'm tilted as hell and this was my last hand for tonight. I know I played it like a donky idiot, but still, this makes me cry rivers....
As soon as you get to see a flop with Aces or Kings you are destined to loose the pot (rant rant rant) vs some donk who calls a 3bet or even a 4bet with rags
and scores big on the flop, turn or river. I mean, it is REALLY hard to narrow down a guys range
at theese level since he can play anything. Should you just fold everything wich aint the NutZ when played back at?
 
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maybe just try not to throw money so hard at things.

The first hand you posted is just tough luck, you had a strong hand and no real idea how strong his hand was, so I don't fault you for that one.

Second hand and third hand are examples of over valuing top pair/an over pair.

Yyou have to learn to not dump your whole stack whenever you get TPTK.

Betting less than the full pot will help, putting in like 1/2 - 2/3's of the pot will help you manage the pot size while still getting value out of your opponent.

Additionally I don't think any of your opponents were playing crazy hands.

And don't complain about people in the micro's playing badly and you losing as a result. IF people are playing badly, then you should be making money. You need to slow down and learn what mistakes they are making and capitalize on it. If you can't beat the micro's you are not going to beat better players.

Bad players may be unpredictable initially, but eventually you will find patterns to their play and thinking. Whether its calling too loose too often or handing your stack over whenever you hit top pair top kicker.
 
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Apart from the 999 hand You don't appear to be considering why these players are still with you after hefty turn bets.
The AK hand in particular im thinking its exactly how a set of 3s would have played to milk you which is probably more likely than the spawny straight. You have to slow down here on the river on all these non nut holdings or you are spewing to every set/straight you run into.
AA hand there are so many hands that beat you I lost count. classic tilt shove.
 
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At micros, at zoom/rush, cash games - expect the unexpected.
From the scenario above, you have to pay him off. All your moves are fine and youre pot committed. No regrets for me.
 
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In the book that i am reading now for playing on turn it is said: "Bet with hands that can improve at the river , and check/call with already made hand." I think particularly in this situation you can play your hands using this rule. You shouldn't push that hard at this level ur opponents have wider holding ranges. And you can slow down your bets too. That is what i think i hope this can help you.
 
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I think the first thing to do here is try to figure out what kind of range is taking his line to the flop raise.

TT+, AK, AQ, KQ, AJ, KJ, QJ look to all be in his range here. I'm not sure how aggressive this player is, but if he is aggro, than JT, 88, 87 could possibilities as well. There's a small chance that he would bluff here with some type of combo draw like A8 as well, which are hands that you have good equity against. Q8 looks much less likely but could be possible if the villain is aggressive.

As played I think your call on the flop is solid, as 4 betting only gets you called by better sets and straights, while most hands that you have good equity against are folding.

Once he leads out on the turn, it seems like he's betting more for value than bluffing here, which narrows his hand down a little since he can't really represent that 2 helped him.

Sets, overpairs, and straights look to be the only hands that he could have here and I'm not sure QQ, KK or AA is betting here. If he has a set here, your pretty much drawing dead here. While you have about 10 outs against a straight.

Since the villain may be bluffing here with an overpair, or even a J or combo draw here some times, I'd err more toward calling the turn here since you can likely get value from those hands, as well as JT, although those hands are not likely here. However, if you were to call the turn, it would be hard to call a river shove if the board doesn't improve your hand.

I think this errs more toward folding the turn here, however I'm ok with a call there. However, I think we fold the river if/when he shoves.

I hope this helps -- Looking forward to seeing what you and others think.


Yeah, But you know, in the heat of the moment... Thanks for the feedback on the hand. I'll learn from this!

maybe just try not to throw money so hard at things.

The first hand you posted is just tough luck, you had a strong hand and no real idea how strong his hand was, so I don't fault you for that one.

Second hand and third hand are examples of over valuing top pair/an over pair.

Yyou have to learn to not dump your whole stack whenever you get TPTK.

Betting less than the full pot will help, putting in like 1/2 - 2/3's of the pot will help you manage the pot size while still getting value out of your opponent.

Additionally I don't think any of your opponents were playing crazy hands.

And don't complain about people in the micro's playing badly and you losing as a result. IF people are playing badly, then you should be making money. You need to slow down and learn what mistakes they are making and capitalize on it. If you can't beat the micro's you are not going to beat better players.

Bad players may be unpredictable initially, but eventually you will find patterns to their play and thinking. Whether its calling too loose too often or handing your stack over whenever you hit top pair top kicker.

Yeah, I was pretty tilted at the moment. Easier to realize that when I sat down to analyze what went wrong. Thanks for the feedback!

Apart from the 999 hand You don't appear to be considering why these players are still with you after hefty turn bets.
The AK hand in particular im thinking its exactly how a set of 3s would have played to milk you which is probably more likely than the spawny straight. You have to slow down here on the river on all these non nut holdings or you are spewing to every set/straight you run into.
AA hand there are so many hands that beat you I lost count. classic tilt shove.

Yeah the third hand was a real donk thingie. Heh. You never learn...

At micros, at zoom/rush, cash games - expect the unexpected.
From the scenario above, you have to pay him off. All your moves are fine and youre pot committed. No regrets for me.

Well I'd say I could've gotten away alot easier ifd I'd payed more attention, but things is as they are.

In the book that i am reading now for playing on turn it is said: "Bet with hands that can improve at the river , and check/call with already made hand." I think particularly in this situation you can play your hands using this rule. You shouldn't push that hard at this level ur opponents have wider holding ranges. And you can slow down your bets too. That is what i think i hope this can help you.

Will take this in consideration. Thanks a bunch!

Cheers
 
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Hand 1: shove flop.

Hand 2: Check/fold river.

Hand 3: Man makes my eyes water :( Make a note what he's calling with
 
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Hand 1: shove flop.

Hand 2: Check/fold river.

Hand 3: Man makes my eyes water :( Make a note what he's calling with

Why check/fold river? At least check/call? I cant put him just on q 10 JJ or 33 unlikely. AJ possibly. Idk about KJ cause he maybe would raise flop. Maybe the correct way would be not to bet that hard on turn. But you may be right. But check/fold seems like some kind of nit fold.
 
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why the 3bet preflop? Did you think he would call with hands like KQ? If so, then I would fold the turn. If not, then it is just variance and you will take his stack in the long run.
 
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