$5 NLHE Full Ring: Could you get away from this?

$5 NL HE Full Ring: Could you get away from this?

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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (MP2): $4.75 (95 bb)
MP3: $6.39 (127.8 bb)
CO: $0.76 (15.2 bb)
BTN: $0.88 (17.6 bb)
SB: $11.30 (226 bb)
BB: $3.78 (75.6 bb)
UTG+1: $4.21 (84.2 bb)
UTG+2: $6.61 (132.2 bb)
MP1: $1.72 (34.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with A A
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, MP3 calls $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.60) 8 6 5 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, MP3 folds, SB calls $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.10) J (3 players)
SB bets $0.80, BB raises to $2, Hero ????

You need to provide more information, such as reads on opponents and their stats. Be aware that blinds call wide at microstakes, and if the SB actually has a hand the BB is getting 5-1 to call here.

865 is certainly not the greatest flop for AA vs. 2 callers from the blinds, they can have sets, 2 pair or the nuts. You have 2 players showing extreme strength when 4 people saw the flop, it's not like you haven't shown aggression, so unless you have a good read that both of these players could be going nuts with a 1-pair hand like A8 or J7, yeah you could fold this.

Sorry, no reads, no HUD. Its 5NL, there were a few LAGtards...

Without any reads - the average 5nl player doesn't semibluff raise draws in multiway pots, BB has you beat, fold. Pay attention specifically to these guys, how they bet and what they showdown, and take their stacks later.

Yeah, I agree it's a fold without some specific history. Few villains are raising 2 players who have shown interest without better than a pair. Your AA is basically a bluff catcher and you still don't know what the SB will do facing the raise.

Edit to add: Turn on auto top-off. Starting with < 100 bbs is icky.

I would have probably called this and got beat.

So, considering the levels, would this have been better played more aggressive pre-flop by me? 5X instead of 3X?

I assume you always raise 3x? If so, it's fine.

I prefer a 4x raise at micro stakes only because your opponents are generally horrible and call either way. The only thing I don't like is varying your preflop bet size based on your hand.

WVHillbilly said:

I assume you always raise 3x? If so, it's fine.

I prefer a 4x raise at micro stakes only because your opponents are generally horrible and call either way. The only thing I don't like is varying your preflop bet size based on your hand.

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At the risk of disclosing... yeah, 3x opens typically. limp or call occasionally when OOP.

Then you played it fine, but I think you should probably be folding the turn.

How has the BB been playing previously? This is a tough hand to lay down, especially at those levels. This is tricky, I never play this low, but I wouldn't fold - right or wrong.

You know, you can look players up online through poker-edge.com or pokertableratings and get an idea on how they play. Still not folding at these limits.

Fold.

It dosent matter if he is bluffing here. Players do not bluff enough for you to be able to profitably pick of their bluffs.

Unless this guy is hyper then that raise is him protecting his hand against a flush.

Preflop is fine, the flop bet is a little high, aim for half pot.

He is either playing Ax a PP or something like KQ or possibly a sc.

THe sc folds out unless it hits, in which case it calls.

The 2 pair usually calls the flop bet but may rereaise.

The pp will only gives you action if it hits a set.

There is a possible straight draw on too.

The point is, even though you hold a good hand thats likely best, you need to pitch your bets at the type of hands your opponent may likely has.

Bet too big and you fold out the middling PP and the missed overcards (which you beat) leaving only the 2 pair or sets which beat you.

This is a board that you want to bet, but that you also want weaker hands to call with.

The argument is there to bet bigger preflop because people love to setmine so your plan would be to bet a little bigger preflop, bet half pot on the flop and then to check a street for pot control and either bet samll or check to induce (depending on the board).

But against a standard opponent, this is a value bet significantly more often than its a TPTK bet or a bluff.

Disagree Stu. I'm NEVER checking a street for pot control if villains are only calling and I like bigger bets on the flop (and turn and river if they just keep calling). I'm folding this when my opponents start raising. 5nl players will call down with TP or less but they are rarely ever raising here with less than 2 pair. So my play with AA would be to bet, bet, bet and only play pot control/fold when my opponent starts taking aggressive actions.

Results:

I shoved. Both SB *and* BB snap called... I was dead.

The SB showed a flopped straight, the BB showed a flush draw.
River was a club to complete the flush.

So, the concept of someone at this level not re-raising with a flush draw was a bit off.

I was so steamed....

arahel_jazz said:

Results:

I shoved. Both SB *and* BB snap called... I was dead.

The SB showed a flopped straight, the BB showed a flush draw.
River was a club to complete the flush.

So, the concept of someone at this level not re-raising with a flush draw was a bit off.

I was so steamed....

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The point is you were against hands that had high equity

arahel_jazz said:

So, the concept of someone at this level not re-raising with a flush draw was a bit off.

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The average 5nl player doesn't do that, I don't think. The gambling 5nl player will make that raise w Acxc, Kcxc, fd+gutshot, and T9o, sometimes worse, but knowing that he's a gambler requires a read. Side note - if he were smart, he should've shoved instead of raising, he didn't leave himself enough behind to make any kind of real river bet.

Stu's right, though, basically in a multiway pot you're dead in this situation, an overpair/TPTK doesn't have strong enough equity to handle this kind of action.

I think this is an easy fold....at best you are against two pair here and you are a pretty big dog.