$5 NLHE Full Ring: ATs becomes TPMK + nut FD on the turn

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BB: $7.18
UTG: $2.24
UTG+1: $2.56
UTG+2: $5.06
MP1: $1.48
MP2: $3.93
Hero (CO): $7.97
BTN: $5.00
SB: $4.72

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with A :heart: T :heart:
5 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.67) 2 :heart: J :diamond: 9 :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.33, Hero raises to $1.15, BTN calls $0.82

Turn: ($2.97) A :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $6.52 all in, BTN folds

BTN is unknown, sat down few hands ago, zero reads.

1. Line check, preflop and postflop?

I didn't like getting to showdown against AQ/AJ if I miss, but now I am reconsidering the turn.
 
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He doesn't fold AQ on the turn anyway. Hate the turn play. Not thrilled with calling preflop. Don't like raising the flop. Pretty much hate it all around. Turn shove is by far the worst part though.
 
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Yeah, I am tired and after this hand decided to wind down and quit for today.

- Why not raise the flop? I have 35% to hit the nuts and want to inflate the pot a bit. If I miss turn I might check again and he has to be careful about another check raise. Calling flop puts me on a FD, this way he can't be sure I didn't hit a set since I sometimes play a set OOP the same way.

- Preflop, well, seemed too nitty to fold to a 2x raise. I usually do but my fold to 3bet stats are probably horrifically exploitable (and I am getting 3bet pretty often) and this hand is as good to call with as any.

2. What to do on the turn and river if I miss? He could easily have a better A (not sure he doesn't fold AQ since he might be scared of a set).
 
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I don't raise the flop because of his assumed 3bet range (tight) and he'll jam over our raise quite often with overpairs. And while we're not doing horribly against most overpairs we're probably going to make more money calling and seeing the turn rather than getting it in on the flop in a marginally +EV spot.
 
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OK, that is the worst case scenario.

My worry is that if I let him bet into me freely twice he correctly puts me on the draw and can value town me, then don't pay me if I hit the flush on the river. Looks like a losing proposition too, especially since if he has an Ace his kicker is certainly better so my only other hope is to hit a T or a backdoor straight.

Basically I probably get paid with the T more often than with the flush.
 
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WVH - Any comment on last post? Also, what do you recommend if I call the fold and he pots the turn if I check?
 
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OK, that is the worst case scenario.

My worry is that if I let him bet into me freely twice he correctly puts me on the draw and can value town me, then don't pay me if I hit the flush on the river. Looks like a losing proposition too, especially since if he has an Ace his kicker is certainly better so my only other hope is to hit a T or a backdoor straight.

Basically I probably get paid with the T more often than with the flush.

I laughed when I saw this sentence hehe, okay.. a 5nl player who min raises you pre-flop is never ever never ever ever putting you on the flush, let alone a hand at all!
 
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WVH - Any comment on last post? Also, what do you recommend if I call the fold and he pots the turn if I check?
Why would you expect him to pot the turn? I mean he only bet 1/2 pot on the flop so why should you suddenly expect him to bet big on the turn?
 
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Not sure, depends if he has an Ace or wants to rep it.

Yosh - Fair enough but if the draw comes and I raise the river then he is sure to figure it out.
 
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Not sure, depends if he has an Ace or wants to rep it.

Yosh - Fair enough but if the draw comes and I raise the river then he is sure to figure it out.

How is he sure to figure it out? Even if he thinks you have it he will still probably call because calling is fun and folding is not. People are curious. Stop giving these donkeys so much credit, they aren't professionals who can read you like a book.
 
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I found that people always fear the flush. Sometimes I used it for bluffing too :D
 
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If people fold too much when you get there, then bluff more. If you're bluffing at correct frequencies then it doesn't matter if they call or not.
 
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Sure, but I have no idea how to balance that yet.
 
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