$5 NLHE Full Ring: A9s gets donked at on 669 board, need line check

MP2: $1.04
CO: $4.73
BTN: $4.39
SB: $2.79
BB: $5.07
UTG: $11.23
UTG+1: $10.89
UTG+2: $4.95
Hero (MP1): $5.74

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP1 with A :heart: 9 :heart:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.35) 6 :club: 6 :heart: 9 :club: (2 players)
SB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.85) K :club: (2 players)
SB bets $0.61, Hero calls $0.61

River: ($2.07) 5 :club: (2 players)
SB bets $0.32, Hero calls $0.32

Villain is complete unknown.

1. Line check?
2. Should I raise river? His bet is pitiful but that could mean anything.

River is a raise/fold, depending on reads we have on villain (I would usually say table image as well, but not at 5nl). His bet looks like a blocking bet with a weak flush card/6. We are getting 8:1 on the river call so it is never a big mistake to call, however I think that this board is just too nasty even with those pot odds to call, so ye I would either raise it to $2.00 or just fold.

Edit: just looked at villains stack and that villain is unknown, I would just fold river, not deep enough to have enough fold equity vs this fish.

Call/raise flop depending on villain tendencies. This turn is a fold.

ScottishMatt said:

Call/raise flop depending on villain tendencies. This turn is a fold.

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agree with this, and if you do call the turn here then calling a 32 cent bet on the river for what will be a 2.71 pot is a must

ScottishMatt said:

Call/raise flop depending on villain tendencies. This turn is a fold.

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Villain is unknown, so no tendencies.

That comment pretty much pertains to this spot in general. I know LD has been having problems in these spots so that was general advice.

My standard line in this spot is to raise. We have position and the liberty of checking back plenty of turns if need be.

This turn is a fold for me, take a look at the board.
if i were played that hand i would folded on the flop, you can be beaten so easily.

This is in fact another one of those "donk the paired board" monkeys, as it turned out. Funnily this hand happened right after I opened that post in the forum.

He holds AKo (no flush!) and pairs his K on the turn... he was scared of the flush but I still have no idea if he would call off a river raise.

From now on I am raising these muppets on the flop if I hit 100% of the time, if he has trips so be it.

LD1977 said:

This is in fact another one of those "donk the paired board" monkeys, as it turned out. Funnily this hand happened right after I opened that post in the forum.

He holds AKo (no flush!) and pairs his K on the turn... he was scared of the flush but I still have no idea if he would call off a river raise.

From now on I am raising these muppets on the flop if I hit 100% of the time, if he has trips so be it.

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Ye a river raise would have worked then, clearly a blocking bet by a weak player who doesn't want to check/fold in case you bluff him when he checks.

So you want to basically raise to make them fold their bluffs?

No I am gonna allow them to draw/bluff me forever.

Do not raise this river,with a hand that has SD value
Fold turn. I think double donks seem to always have TP,two pair,trips,sets etc. One donk and check the turn is a lot more draws. Unless reads say other wise.

His hand is super transparent on the turn, and most of it is weighted towards small/mid pair hands. Problem is there are more combos of hands you beat, then better ones you can get to fold out like TT/JJ. As played he's trying to get value from his TxTc from you on the river. If he was deeper I'd raise again, but you're not so folding is appropriate.

John A said:

His hand is super transparent on the turn, and most of it is weighted towards small/mid pair hands. Problem is there are more combos of hands you beat, then better ones you can get to fold out like TT/JJ. As played he's trying to get value from his TxTc from you on the river. If he was deeper I'd raise again, but you're not so folding is appropriate.

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That is a super tight range your putting villain on John.

We are never good on this river card, even with pot odds. He is too shallow to raise though, fold is best.

We only need to be good here what ~ 17% of time on the river. I might of folded turn but not a chance I'm folding the river

Ye I still don't think 17% is good enough.

Hand as played is super standard, raising flop or folding at any point is vile. Thrres so much air in an unknowns raise when they donk a paired board, when they ppt to bluff here they likely have their entire non value range. The king is a fine scare card the river we've great odds.

Yoshimiii said:

We are never good on this river card, even with pot odds. He is too shallow to raise though, fold is best.

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Air 9x underpairs all do this. I'd not only say we're good but we're good over 50% of the time.

LD1977 said:

No I am gonna allow them to draw/bluff me forever.

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He had 3 outs on the flop your being results orientated.

Raising to protect is very 2004.

These people LOVE donking paired boards, it happens way too frequently not to be a conscious strategy, the idea probably being that these are hard to hit.

- If I just call down when I have it and fold when I don't, I am bleeding money since more often than not I don't have it (but neither do they).
- So I think raising has to be the correct idea, maybe not every time but often since after all I am the preflop raiser and they can't be sure I don't have a good PP. Equity wise if I am holding something like A9s and I don't hit the board like this time, and he donks AKo, I am dead if I try calling down.

I would love to hear the answer to this line of thought.

Good 50%+ time lol, you're joking right..?

I'd rather shove for value than fold lol.

JOEBOB69 said:

That is a super tight range your putting villain on John.

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I'm saying this based on how the whole hand played out. So it's with a bit of hindsight. River odds are super good for a reason. There's not enough second best hands he's betting here. 9x is hardly in his range, and a larger bet would be ideal to bluff with. His range is basically value block hands and air. And I don't think air is bluffing this small, despite pot odds.

Deco said:

I'd rather shove for value than fold lol.

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What second best hands is villain calling with? 9T with no club?

I think we get your point though. You think folding because of odds is horrible.

Maybe bet/check/bet lines at these stakes you'd be a little more in line with a call, and at higher stakes clear fold. But bet/bet/bet with that sizing is usually a good hand. KJ/KQ maybe, etc...

What did he end up having? 8x8c, TxTc or Kx?