$5 NLHE Full Ring: A few hands from last night

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$5 NL HE Full Ring: A few hands from last night

A few hand that I had questions on.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($9.26)
BB ($2)
Hero ($5.87)
UTG+1 ($2)
UTG+2 ($1.41)
MP1 ($3.43)
CO ($3.10)
BTN ($4.89)

Dealt to Hero 9 9

Hero raises to $0.15, fold, UTG+2 raises to $1.41 (AI),


Villian has 18/11 stats and I hadnt seen him shove after only 50 hands so I folded this, he is shortstacked so what sort of stats would you think we would need to warrant a call?


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
Hero ($6.26)
BB ($5)
UTG ($1.50)
UTG+1 ($6.39)
UTG+2 ($5.81)
CO ($2)
BTN ($6.04)

Dealt to Hero K J

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10

FLOP ($0.30) 9 4 A

Hero bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25

TURN ($0.80) 9 4 A J

Hero bets $0.40,

A steal attempt from me, Was it wise to fire another bet on the turn after he had called my bet on the flop? Villians stats are super nitty at 9/4


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($6.03)
BB ($5.91)
UTG ($1.75)
UTG+1 ($2.29)
UTG+2 ($3.86)
CO ($7.22)
Hero ($7)

Dealt to Hero K J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, BB calls $0.10

FLOP ($0.32) 5 6 3

BB bets $0.32, Hero calls $0.32

TURN ($0.96) 5 6 3 8

BB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.45, BB calls $0.40

RIVER ($1.86) 5 6 3 8 8

BB checks, Hero?

Another steal attempt with KJs, I probably shouldnt have called the bet on the flop but then he starts showing weakness on the turn but calls my raise? What to do here on the river? does he have a monster or nothing? Villians stats are nitty againg at 12/5 which I think is the reason I called the flop bet, I didnt think he had hit this flop at all...


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($2.19)
Hero ($5.84)
UTG ($4.86)
UTG+1 ($5.09)
UTG+2 ($5.24)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($3.89)
CO ($1.52)
BTN ($1.66)

Dealt to Hero T T

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.11, SB raises to $0.40, Hero ??

Im stuck here, not sure what to do. Tens are a nice hand preflop but can be horrible post flop, especially if villian hits. Both players that are still in the hand are fairly shortstacked. Do I shove and hope for the best??


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($1.70)
BB ($5)
UTG ($8.03)
UTG+1 ($5)
UTG+2 ($3.76)
MP1 ($5.83)
MP2 ($1.65)
Hero ($7.85)
BTN ($9.48)

Dealt to Hero A J

fold, fold, fold, MP1 raises to $0.20, fold, Hero calls $0.20, fold, fold, BB calls $0.15

FLOP ($0.62) 8 A 3

BB checks, MP1 bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.85, BB folds, MP1 calls $0.60

TURN ($2.32) 8 A 3 2

MP1 bets $0.35, Hero ?


This is against another super nit at 6/3. I just dont know what to think about his bet sizes? Do I give up after the flop when he calls my reraise? Does he just not know what sized bets to throw in? Is he trying to bet for value?
 
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1 hand/thread please. People are lazy and give short meaningless analyses when its all grouped together.

1.Yeah i fold here aswell.

2.When a supernit calls prf and a cbet its time to slowdown even when u hit second pair. He is almost allways gonna have a decent hand when he calls the flop.

3.I raise the flop or fold here every time. And since donk bet are usualy junk i raise/fold. Shutdown if called on the flop.

4.Completly read dependent imo.

5. Why are we calling prf with hand that is allways gonna be dominated against a nit? Why are we raising the flop when there are no worse aces in his range?
Just fold prf. The only time where gonna be good postflop is when we hit AJX,JJX or TQK flop and thouse dont come along to often and where just gonna get owned by AA,AK,AQ a tone on Ahigh boards.
You say your self should i give up when he calls. Thats sounds a awfull lot like you where trying to turn TP into a bluff on board where nothing better folds...
 
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A few hand that I had questions on.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($9.26)
BB ($2)
Hero ($5.87)
UTG+1 ($2)
UTG+2 ($1.41)
MP1 ($3.43)
CO ($3.10)
BTN ($4.89)

Dealt to Hero 9 9

Hero raises to $0.15, fold, UTG+2 raises to $1.41 (AI),


Villian has 18/11 stats and I hadnt seen him shove after only 50 hands so I folded this, he is shortstacked so what sort of stats would you think we would need to warrant a call?

i dont really see how you could call here..unless you feel your up against a flip of AK/AQ or any other 2 random over cards i dont think i call..than again its like a dollar twenty cents more to call so maybe we have equity here im not an expert on that though. if its me i fold here.


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
Hero ($6.26)
BB ($5)
UTG ($1.50)
UTG+1 ($6.39)
UTG+2 ($5.81)
CO ($2)
BTN ($6.04)

Dealt to Hero K J

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10

FLOP ($0.30) 9 4 A

Hero bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25

TURN ($0.80) 9 4 A J

Hero bets $0.40,

A steal attempt from me, Was it wise to fire another bet on the turn after he had called my bet on the flop? Villians stats are super nitty at 9/4

looks like your digging yourself a hole you are gonna want to get out of. get out before you cant ( suppose a K hits the river?) they say Cbets are good, but against a super uber nit..make sure you have the nuts before you bet. the fact that he called your first bet would imply he has the A or possibly flush draw so betting the turn cuz your hand improved slightly doesn make much sense imo. Now maybe i Cbet this fold if the villains fold to Cbet is in the high % but it didn say anything about that in the OP.


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($6.03)
BB ($5.91)
UTG ($1.75)
UTG+1 ($2.29)
UTG+2 ($3.86)
CO ($7.22)
Hero ($7)

Dealt to Hero K J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, BB calls $0.10

FLOP ($0.32) 5 6 3

BB bets $0.32, Hero calls $0.32

TURN ($0.96) 5 6 3 8

BB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.45, BB calls $0.40

RIVER ($1.86) 5 6 3 8 8

BB checks, Hero?

Another steal attempt with KJs, I probably shouldnt have called the bet on the flop but then he starts showing weakness on the turn but calls my raise? What to do here on the river? does he have a monster or nothing? Villians stats are nitty againg at 12/5 which I think is the reason I called the flop bet, I didnt think he had hit this flop at all...

You say you dont think the villain hit the flop at all..so its possible he still has something like AJ..hell even A7 which still beats us. Fold flop


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($2.19)
Hero ($5.84)
UTG ($4.86)
UTG+1 ($5.09)
UTG+2 ($5.24)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($3.89)
CO ($1.52)
BTN ($1.66)

Dealt to Hero T T

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.11, SB raises to $0.40, Hero ??

Im stuck here, not sure what to do. Tens are a nice hand preflop but can be horrible post flop, especially if villian hits. Both players that are still in the hand are fairly shortstacked. Do I shove and hope for the best??

the reraise by the SB screams high PP to me, especially at this level 5NL which is what i play. i guess since their both shortstacked that a shove could work although you know your getting called almost certainly from the SB, and if the BTN calls too than your 10's aren too likely to hold up. I guess here i would call the .40 bet to see a flop..if the BTN re shoves over top of the SB you could still fold.


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($1.70)
BB ($5)
UTG ($8.03)
UTG+1 ($5)
UTG+2 ($3.76)
MP1 ($5.83)
MP2 ($1.65)
Hero ($7.85)
BTN ($9.48)

Dealt to Hero A J

fold, fold, fold, MP1 raises to $0.20, fold, Hero calls $0.20, fold, fold, BB calls $0.15

FLOP ($0.62) 8 A 3

BB checks, MP1 bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.85, BB folds, MP1 calls $0.60

TURN ($2.32) 8 A 3 2

MP1 bets $0.35, Hero ?


This is against another super nit at 6/3. I just dont know what to think about his bet sizes? Do I give up after the flop when he calls my reraise? Does he just not know what sized bets to throw in? Is he trying to bet for value?

being at 6/3 hes playing only AA/KK/QQ/AK and thats about it..your beat here..but you do have the J of hearts..than again he could have the K of hearts, to me it looks like he is definately scared of the flush on the board which would imply he doesn have the K or Q of hearts. i guess since your deep in the hand call the turn bet to see if you can hit your J or heart..if you miss both than fold to an outlandish river bet.

theres my 2cents..im playing 5NL too and have questions that i need to start posting around here.
 
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A few hand that I had questions on.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($9.26)
BB ($2)
Hero ($5.87)
UTG+1 ($2)
UTG+2 ($1.41)
MP1 ($3.43)
CO ($3.10)
BTN ($4.89)

Dealt to Hero 9 9

Hero raises to $0.15, fold, UTG+2 raises to $1.41 (AI),


Villian has 18/11 stats and I hadnt seen him shove after only 50 hands so I folded this, he is shortstacked so what sort of stats would you think we would need to warrant a call?

I don't like calling such a big bet unless I've seen him do it before. I don't care what his stats are, I'm not calling a 50/40 that does this unless I've seen him shoving light (there's a difference between raising and shoving). 99 is too weak imo, JJ and I call. With that being said, I will shove or call with 99 all the way up to 100bb deep, but not massive raise shoves.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
Hero ($6.26)
BB ($5)
UTG ($1.50)
UTG+1 ($6.39)
UTG+2 ($5.81)
CO ($2)
BTN ($6.04)

Dealt to Hero K J

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10

FLOP ($0.30) 9 4 A

Hero bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25

TURN ($0.80) 9 4 A J

Hero bets $0.40,

A steal attempt from me, Was it wise to fire another bet on the turn after he had called my bet on the flop? Villians stats are super nitty at 9/4

It's not a steal attempt pre-flop. It's for value. Or at least, it should be.
The flop is a standard cbet. He doesn't have the A most of the time and the A hits your range really hard. You've still got 6 outs which are normally live even after called.
9/4 stats don't tell us anything about his post-flop play. What is his fold to cbet?
When you barrel a turn on an A high flop, you're usually only repping the A against someone who floats a lot. A high flops can be dangerous to barrel.


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($6.03)
BB ($5.91)
UTG ($1.75)
UTG+1 ($2.29)
UTG+2 ($3.86)
CO ($7.22)
Hero ($7)

Dealt to Hero K J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, BB calls $0.10

FLOP ($0.32) 5 6 3

BB bets $0.32, Hero calls $0.32

TURN ($0.96) 5 6 3 8

BB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.45, BB calls $0.40

RIVER ($1.86) 5 6 3 8 8

BB checks, Hero?

Another steal attempt with KJs, I probably shouldnt have called the bet on the flop but then he starts showing weakness on the turn but calls my raise? What to do here on the river? does he have a monster or nothing? Villians stats are nitty againg at 12/5 which I think is the reason I called the flop bet, I didnt think he had hit this flop at all...

On the flop typically you're looking for a player with a high cbet %. I float almost 100% of the time here if their range is balanced, or weighted towards bluffs. You have position, you have outs, it's a good spot to float.

With that being said, a lot of players at $5nl don't cbet unless they hit. In which case floating is really bad.

Turn raise is ok because whoever has a piece of that flop got helped a lot by it, if he has air or just one pair then he's in a tough spot. His 5c usually means weakness so raising is definately the right play.
When he calls it pretty much means he's looking to get to showdown and is likely to check/call the river too. This means that you should be checking back the river.


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($2.19)
Hero ($5.84)
UTG ($4.86)
UTG+1 ($5.09)
UTG+2 ($5.24)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($3.89)
CO ($1.52)
BTN ($1.66)

Dealt to Hero T T

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.11, SB raises to $0.40, Hero ??

Im stuck here, not sure what to do. Tens are a nice hand preflop but can be horrible post flop, especially if villian hits. Both players that are still in the hand are fairly shortstacked. Do I shove and hope for the best??

Nope. Just call.
Button will fold sometimes and call with weak stuff and play fit or fold a lot.

It does depend on metagame a bit, which only really exists at these stakes if button has been stealing the blinds relentlessly or SB just loves to 3bet a lot, but generally speaking I think the raise in this spot is an actual hand but not a range that dominates you, maybe 77+/A9+. See a flop, as long as it's not 3 high cards then float a cbet (assuming SB occasionally cbets without a big hand) and re-evaluate on the turn, if button calls behind on the flop with overcards present then consider yourself done with the hand.

Basically, I think you've got decent equity in this hand and I think you can play it proffitably post flop, getting away when you're dominated and letting them make mistakes when you're not. I think your equity is better when taking this post-flop.


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($1.70)
BB ($5)
UTG ($8.03)
UTG+1 ($5)
UTG+2 ($3.76)
MP1 ($5.83)
MP2 ($1.65)
Hero ($7.85)
BTN ($9.48)

Dealt to Hero A J

fold, fold, fold, MP1 raises to $0.20, fold, Hero calls $0.20, fold, fold, BB calls $0.15

FLOP ($0.62) 8 A 3

BB checks, MP1 bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.85, BB folds, MP1 calls $0.60

TURN ($2.32) 8 A 3 2

MP1 bets $0.35, Hero ?


This is against another super nit at 6/3. I just dont know what to think about his bet sizes? Do I give up after the flop when he calls my reraise? Does he just not know what sized bets to throw in? Is he trying to bet for value?

Don't raise the flop, that's really bad.
You're turning your hand into a bluff... you're losing a lot of equity against smaller Ax which will probably stay in the hand but go into check-call mode and you're really paying off bigger aces.
When he calls your raise, I think you play for a showdown. Just call your way to the river.

I don't know what his raise sizes mean, but the worst thing you can do in these situations is spaz out over it (not trying to be insulting... everyone does it occasionally and spaz is the best term I'm aware of for it). If the raise is not to a satisfactory amount, say you think it's pricing in a probable draw then don't let him get there that cheap and raise. Otherwise treat it for what it is, a bet of less than 1/2 pot, call with a range that's justified for that price and raise with hands that beat hands in his range that can call x amount more.


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Thanks for the responses.

Sorry about the five hands in the one post but I wasnt really looking for in depth answers here, basically I was after simple answers for specific questions which is what I ended up getting so Im happy with that.

Even as I was posting these hands I realised that I am playing too much crap against nitty players. I know that stealing their blinds is fine as most of the time they will fold but when they play back at you you should really reconsider if you want to be in the hand against their range. If you get to see the flop and hit it hard then obviously you can get some chips in there and try to stack them, but Top pair middle kicker is just not going to cut it...

As for the way the hands played out, I will post the results below...(quote boxes are just there to make them easier to read)


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($9.26)
BB ($2)
Hero ($5.87)
UTG+1 ($2)
UTG+2 ($1.41)
MP1 ($3.43)
CO ($3.10)
BTN ($4.89)

Dealt to Hero 9 9

Hero raises to $0.15, fold, UTG+2 raises to $1.41 (AI), fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

UTG+2 wins $0.37
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
Hero ($6.26)
BB ($5)
UTG ($1.50)
UTG+1 ($6.39)
UTG+2 ($5.81)
CO ($2)
BTN ($6.04)

Dealt to Hero K J

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10

FLOP ($0.30) 9 4 A

Hero bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25

TURN ($0.80) 9 4 A J

Hero bets $0.40, BB folds

Hero shows K J

Hero wins $0.75
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($6.03)
BB ($5.91)
UTG ($1.75)
UTG+1 ($2.29)
UTG+2 ($3.86)
CO ($7.22)
Hero ($7)

Dealt to Hero K J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, BB calls $0.10

FLOP ($0.32) 5 6 3

BB bets $0.32, Hero calls $0.32

TURN ($0.96) 5 6 3 8

BB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.45, BB calls $0.40

RIVER ($1.86) 5 6 3 8 8

BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BB calls $0.80

BB shows 9 7
(Pre 39%, Flop 48.8%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero shows K J
(Pre 61%, Flop 51.2%, Turn 0.0%)

BB wins $3.23
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($2.19)
Hero ($5.84)
UTG ($4.86)
UTG+1 ($5.09)
UTG+2 ($5.24)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($3.89)
CO ($1.52)
BTN ($1.66)

Dealt to Hero T T

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.11, SB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $5.25, fold, SB calls $1.79 (AI)

FLOP ($4.49) 2 8 K

TURN ($4.49) 2 8 K Q

RIVER ($4.49) 2 8 K Q 2

Hero shows T T
(Pre 57%, Flop 8.8%, Turn 4.5%)

SB shows K A
(Pre 43%, Flop 91.2%, Turn 95.5%)

SB wins $4.20
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($1.70)
BB ($5)
UTG ($8.03)
UTG+1 ($5)
UTG+2 ($3.76)
MP1 ($5.83)
MP2 ($1.65)
Hero ($7.85)
BTN ($9.48)

Dealt to Hero A J

fold, fold, fold, MP1 raises to $0.20, fold, Hero calls $0.20, fold, fold, BB calls $0.15

FLOP ($0.62) 8 A 3

BB checks, MP1 bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.85, BB folds, MP1 calls $0.60

TURN ($2.32) 8 A 3 2

MP1 bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35

RIVER ($3.02) 8 A 3 2 2

MP1 checks, Hero checks

MP1 shows K A
(Pre 73%, Flop 82.7%, Turn 72.7%)

Hero shows A J
(Pre 27%, Flop 17.3%, Turn 27.3%)

MP1 wins $2.82
 
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