$5 NLHE Full Ring: $5 NL Hold em', turns a set, am i a nit for considering a fold?

$5 NLHE Full Ring: $5 NL Hold em', turns a set, am i a nit for considering a fold?

I really considered a fold here, it just seemed like such a strange spot?
I just want to know if people consider this an instant call?
Or is it a fold? At the time i just felt like i was crushed, which makes it a terrible call , thanks for any input.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP2 ($7.86)
MP3 ($5.10)
CO ($5.05)
Button ($5.71)
SB ($1.47)
Hero (BB) ($4.64)
UTG ($6.75)
UTG+1 ($3)
MP1 ($5.59)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , Q
4 folds, MP3 bets $0.15, 1 fold, Button calls $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.47) Q , 2 , J (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $0.60, Button calls $0.60, Hero calls $0.60
Turn: ($2.27) Q (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $0.85, Button raises to $4.96 (All-In), Hero calls $3.89 (All-In), 1 fold
River: ($10.90) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $10.90 | Rake: $0.72

Im not sure if its going to show up so il just say button turns over KQ

The only hands you are worried about are qj and jj. I would NEVER fold.

Don't tell us what he had because it will bias peoples evaluation. Edit and delete it before anyone else sees

5NL .. snap call


People do not play well.

Shoving KQ here is silly is looses a ton of value.. we want to get as much money in the middle as possible with KQ but shoving just folds out almost everything KQ beats.

So its fair to say this guy cant value bet.

So if he cant value bet, what can he do this with? Some things that beat you plus a ton of things you beat. So its a snap call.

Rejoice, he apparently has the case Q and your kicker rules

I would call it without a thought but I'm a lunatic calling station.

I have no idea what reads you have on your opponents but I would at least bet the turn for value and not check it. You could have lost a lot of value if they checked behind and if both were drawing you are giving them a free card.

BTW I dont need to see that he shows up with KQ to know he wont value bet well. Most people at micros cant value bet. Unfortuantly for them, when they make the absolute nuts they then decide to slow-play!

It is a snap call,for what it's worth i woud prob 3bet pre here to ~.50-.60 with 0 stats on villains.

why no 3bet preflop?

Stu_Ungar said:

why no 3bet preflop?

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Every one always tring to ride my coattail

RVladimiro said:

I have no idea what reads you have on your opponents but I would at least bet the turn for value and not check it. You could have lost a lot of value if they checked behind and if both were drawing you are giving them a free card.

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I know it was a bad check but i had played the hand badly and wasnt't really sure where I was, I made a mistake with every decision I made imo

Stu_Ungar said:

5NL .. snap call


People do not play well.

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I agree, at this level if i was to fold here i would get nowhere, thinking about it, people push with worse hands than what he turned up here, not everyone but a lot of people play really really bad

Stu_Ungar said:

why no 3bet preflop?

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As i said above i played it so badly, its a pretty obvious 3 bet!?
I didnt make one right move in the hand, except maybe the call on the turn!
Wait.... maybe im a donk!? Damn....

JOEBOB69 said:

Every one always tring to ride my coattail

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Thats def true

My line of thought is that MP3 plays out postflop as you would expect a TAG to playout, therefore he is a good candidate to find a fold preflop, whereas BTN calls IP and plays very fit or fold postflop, the shove on the turn is horrendous, therefore he would be a good candidate to call the preflop raise and fold on most boards he misses.

I just have a feeling that MP3 would have stats that show he could fold to a 3bet and BTN will have very fishy stats, so we would be HU in a 3bet pot with a fish and our 3bet would be a 110% value bet against that fish.

OK we are OOP, but I really think he plays fit or fold. That shove with KQ is because the FD appears and not because he is thinkinhg of hands that call such a big bet.

So if I 3bet pre flop, we go HU, he hits the flop and all the money goes in on the turn? I would have felt much better about it then, I played it horribly and nearly found a terrible fold. <-- This is my conclusion from your analysis, im not just posting and then writing my own answers
His push is horrible, and i dont know what levels you do play at but i'v seen much much worse stuff at 5NL. Thanks for all the help btw

ShaneD said:

So if I 3bet pre flop, we go HU, he hits the flop and all the money goes in on the turn? I would have felt much better about it then, I played it horribly and nearly found a terrible fold. <-- This is my conclusion from your analysis, im not just posting and then writing my own answers
His push is horrible, and i dont know what levels you do play at but i'v seen much much worse stuff at 5NL. Thanks for all the help btw

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Well lets just consider the possibility that we dont hit the flop. If we can get HU with a player that will fold when he misses, we bet, he folds and we win money.

Plus in the event he hits, he is unlikely to raise us on the flop without a big hand so if he dosent fold, we almost guarantee that we see 4 cards not just 3.

Then if we hit, he has tonnes of hands in his calling range that we dominate so we can bet for value.

Im not saying we should 3bet so we can hit specifically that flop, Im saying form the way the hand plays out I would have thought MP3 could be a TAG and BTN a fish so lets get the TAG to fold and the fish to play a bigger pot (you know poker stuff) I dont know he is a fish and MP3 a TAG.. Id want to see stats, but from the way it played out I think you may have had those stats staring at you the whole time.

ShaneD said:

So if I 3bet pre flop, we go HU, he hits the flop and all the money goes in on the turn? I would have felt much better about it then, I played it horribly and nearly found a terrible fold.

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You are playing in fear, mate.

Let's say that MP raises 4BB, BTN calls 4BB and BB (you!) 3bets 12BB. For the sake of argument, let's imagine that MP then folds and BTN calls your 12 BB 3bet.

That's 28.5BB

BTN will not connect with the flop 2/3 of the time. Same applies to you but you have initiative and because of that you c-bet (investigate c-bet, c-bet is your friend!) 50% of the pot making the pot 42BB aprox. He will fold most times, best case scenario... 2/3 of the time. Let's imagine that you will fold the turn the other 1/3 of the time.

EV = (0.66 * 42) - (0.33 * 26) = 27.72BB - 8.58BB = 19.14BB

What if he connects? What if he shoves? Think about it when you get there, until then, 3bet + c-bet does get a lot of respect and folds and dead money. My own results are (and I'm a awful player) 38BB/100.

i wouldn't say its an obv 3bet. For me it really depends on the player so i'm ok with either calling or 3betting an unknown in this situation