$5 NLHE Full Ring: 44 - straight with flush draw board

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888 Poker - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 91.8 BB (VPIP: 45.98, PFR: 1.15, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 176)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 8.89, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 47)
MP+1: 50.6 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP+2: 101 BB (VPIP: 18.13, PFR: 14.56, 3Bet Preflop: 5.50, Hands: 367)
CO: 160.4 BB (VPIP: 12.94, PFR: 9.41, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 172)
Hero (BTN): 102.8 BB
SB: 101.2 BB (VPIP: 17.15, PFR: 13.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 243)
BB: 138 BB (VPIP: 17.54, PFR: 11.40, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 115)
UTG: 90.4 BB (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, MP+2 posts penalty blind 0.4 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.8 BB) Hero has 4<font color='red'>♥</font> 4<font color='black'>♣</font>

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, MP+2 calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 3 BB, fold

Flop: (10.8 BB, 2 players) 3<font color='red'>♦</font> 2<font color='black'>♣</font> A<font color='black'>♣</font>
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (10.8 BB, 2 players) 5<font color='black'>♣</font>
UTG+1 bets 8 BB, Hero raises to 21.4 BB

I was sure there was more in his range than a flush and he had quite a high AF surprisingly. Should I be calling the turn?
 
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His range is undefined at this point. He calls almost 50% of his hands and limp called your raise. On the flop your hand is over repped. You raised preflop and had every reason (had the lead, wet board, lots of aces in your range) to CBet, but didn't.

On the turn you re-raise, not having any more information than you did on the turn. Why on the turn and not on the flop?

What's the reason for your bet? There is no reason to protect your hand, the draws have come in. I doubt he calls with worse.

What losing hands do you expect him to call with, A3?

I'd CBet the flop and check call the turn and the river. You have medium hand you'd like to show down.
 
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Why are we raising preflop? Perfect opportunity for set-mining, imo, with two limpers in front.

You need to c-bet this flop given the preflop raise.

As played, turn raise is fine, imo.
 
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Why are we raising preflop? Perfect opportunity for set-mining, imo, with two limpers in front.

You need to c-bet this flop given the preflop raise.

As played, turn raise is fine, imo.

I literally never limp preflop. I'm expecting UTG+1 will come along either way due to his stats. I'd read limping preflop is outdated even at the micros? If he calls it's still around 25x. Surely limping just limits the profit I can make post when I do hit?

I've gotten out of the habit of cbetting quite so often and need to fix that.
 
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I literally never limp preflop. I'm expecting UTG+1 will come along either way due to his stats. I'd read limping preflop is outdated even at the micros? If he calls it's still around 25x. Surely limping just limits the profit I can make post when I do hit?
Limping preflop is indeed outdated, but that's mainly open-limping. If there are two limpers before you, there's absolutely no reason not to overlimp with speculative hands, imo.


And c-betting is very dependant on the flop texture. If you're the preflop raiser, then you really need to c-bet 100% on AXX flops, no matter what you're holding. Will take down the pot immediately most of the time.
 
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Yeah, open-limping is terrible. Limping behind OTB with 44 or isolating are both fine.

Flop I'd probably c-bet with 2 outs to a set and gutshot. OTT just call, and bet river if checked too. I'm not sure if 2NL players would level themselves into hero-calling on such a scary board (I know at where I play they would lol), but you can easily rep a bluff such as a missed K high BDFD if you flat turn and fire river. I've gotten looked up in some similar situations. People would expect you to c-bet a flush draw/value hands on the flop, so you look kinda FOS when you check flop, call when the flush hits, and fire the river on a blank.
 
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